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Re: Is the ISE 2 any good ?
In actual fact £799 is an awful lot of today’s money on a washing machine. The argument of what you are getting for it does not really wash.
If you look at the price of plasma TV’s they were extortionate 3 years ago, the prices have plummeted, the spec has gone through the roof and the reliability has gone up. It applies to virtually every other product out there from cars to pocket radios. The customer has won as production has gone up and costs have come down.
So now we come to washing machines, which are by and large quite simplistic mechanical creatures. You have a drum, a motor, a pump and a PCB module.
As you produce more sure costs come down but your spec also improves. The manufacturer knows exactly what to improve, where it will go wrong and how long it is expected to last. They source their components accordingly. There is every reason to expect prices to come down and quality to go up. Not so, the washer market I’m afraid to say is a big con. The machines are designed to break down after a given time and the costs of repair always make it economically viable to always buy new. It’s been an industry for the last 10 years simply as result of making ‘too good’ machines 10 years prior.
ISE’s philosophy is intriguing. They decided to go back to making machines the old fashioned way ? What exactly does that say, they don’t like the way machines are made today or the philosophy of why a washing machine is made the way it is today ?
The way I see it
ISE10, made by ASKO sells for £799 with 10 year guarantee. The machine probably costs far less to make then it ever did but you now have to plump a whole heap to AXA to insure your machine for 10 years.
ISE5, made in Turkey £449 with 5 year guarantee ? Probably sourced out a Bosch/Siemens factory and badged as a ISE machine made to a specified spec. Another chunk to AXA for the scheme.
ISE2, not sure but would like to know where it’s made. Probably by another factory in another country and sourced by ISE to produce a machine to a spec with a 2 year warranty. Smaller chunk to AXA this time.
So you see ISE are no different to all the other brands having machines built to a spec out of the same factories ! They do however give you a warranty and peace of mind that way.
OOW an ISE is just as uneconomical to repair as the next one. Call out charge and labour usually outstrip the cost of the parts by a fair margin. It is however a nice notion to sell the customer the idea that it will be ‘cheaper’ to repair but probably never cheap enough to warrant keeping.
So in my mind the whole washer market is a con, it’s a product that they know you need and will have to buy no matter what. It’s a monopoly by 4 or 5 factories that make machines to spec for whoever cares to walk through the door with a Brand name to stick on the box.
Re: Is the ISE 2 any good ?
Hi, yes it’s me ! 😀
I’ll admit I am actually intrigued by the ISE10. But a washing machine at £800 and over in today’s market is a little too rich for me.
10 years ago you had three levels of washing machines, budget, mid and top fancy label stuff. You also had manufacturers that catered for those bands so you knew where you sat with them. A mid level buy was actually buying you into a very good machine.
Now, I’ve been to Comet and Currys and to be frank there are 100’s of machines there and after half an hour in each store, I headed out of there and straight here. There is so much cloned rubbish out there on the shop floor today you don’t know what you are buying, even from the same manufacturer. Maybe I’m an old fashioned buyer who wants to know what they’re buying, but nowadays the washer market is basically all a con.
However, having a read about the ISE’s I do like the philosophy that they are built like older ‘more reliable’ machines. I believe in ‘the simpler it is the less likely it is to go wrong’ idealogy.
Whilst I like the ISE10, funds won’t allow for that much. I’ve resigned myself to the fact that todays market simply churns out machines designed to last 2-3 years. So either I go cheap or go top end, the middle is no longer the ground it used to be. If the ISE2 can do 3-5 years then I will likely consider going that route.
Re: AEG Lavamat 6100 fault
Just spoke to the engineer. It’s £80 just call out !
Engineer reckoned if it’s not the motor, it’s the module or timer and each of those will be £100+
Labour and parts on top, so I guess this thing will have to go to washers heaven.
Re: AEG Lavamat 6100 fault
TBH I don’t think it’s the motor. The brushes look ok as well.
A few years ago the timer dial stopped similarly mid wash. However a few turns of it later and the machine got going again.
I really think that’s why it’s something more to do with the PCB end of it controlling the motor ?
Anyhow I’ve cleaned the motor up and am re-installing it now, you never know a clean up might give it a kick start !
I think by the time I call an engineer and the cost of the call it’s probably already worth putting that towards a new machine. As I say I’ve had a good 12 odd years out of this one.
Are ISE2’s any good and where are they made ? I heard the ISE5 is made in Turkey….put me right off that one…that’s where BEKO’s are made…
Re: AEG Lavamat 6100 fault
Got the motor out and got the brushes off. They don’t look that bad tbh. Then again I don’t know what they are meant to look like when good !
Both make sufficient contact and there is 2cm of carbon on each brush left. About 1.5cm on each one gets depressed into the spring play which leaves less than a 0.5cm protruding out contacting the commutator.
While they are obviously worn compared to a new set I doubt simply by looking at the state of them it is these brushes ? They both sit flush with the commutator and there is spring pressure behind them as well.
I could of course be wrong !
Got any other ideas ? Anybody else as well ?
