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Re: Homark
So that says one of two things to me…
Either AIS is getting paid the same as EAC and taking more out the deal at our expense, which I find hard to believe of Graham et all.
OR
AIS is being paid less by PABL and we are being used as a commodity to have the job done for less than they were paying EAC.
Either way, we’re the ones left counting the cost whilst someone else banks the money.
Now, let me put this in perspective for those that are thinking that this is just a few calls. Even if you say it’s low volume and equates to 5000 possible service calls a year PABL or AIS just banked £25,000 of a saving thanks very much on our pay cut alone. Pure profit as someone else is paying for it, i.e. us!
The fact that it is spread among many is, in my view of the agents losing from the deal, irrelevant.
I do not want to fall out with AIS as I have a very long standing relationship with Graham and the team there and I don’t want to fall out with PABL either. But, by the same token, I will not allow myself to be screwed over.
I am a little disappointed in this turn of events to say the least and it demands further scrutiny.
K.
Re: Homark
No comment on the rates greaseater?
It is a very valid point as the rate paid by EAC was okay, but just that. Now are we expected to accept a 12.5{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} drop in what we are paid for a job overnight just because the work provider changes? Sadly our costs have gone up, not down.
or let me put it another way, would you expect you or your staff to accept such a drop because they change banks? Same thing, different perspective.
Also bear in mind that whilst the washers are not that hard to work on there’s no up front stock available at all, all the appliances are integrated which demand a higher rate as a matter of course anyway for obvious reasons and that the cheapo dishwashers from Haeir are an absolute pig to work on.
A definitive answer would be nice before we all start invoicing AIS for these calls which, if some already have not started, will be very soon indeed. I did ask Graham about this but didn’t get a definitive answer.
K.
And thank you for the feedback, it’s great to know that the site is of use and value to customers as well as the trade.
K.
Re: Service Power?
And we go a bit deeper to find…
Domain Name: SERVICINGSOLUTIONS.BIZ
Domain ID: D9166684-BIZ
Sponsoring Registrar: TUCOWS INC.
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 69
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Domain Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Registrant ID: TU2XYJW6YAKHDEMG
Registrant Name: Alex Mason
Registrant Organization: Beaver Electronics
Registrant Address1: Alpine House
Registrant Address2: Long Street
Registrant City: Walsall
Registrant State/Province: West Misdlands
Registrant Postal Code: WS29DY
Registrant Country: Great Britain (UK)
Registrant Country Code: GB
Registrant Phone Number: +44.01922725554
Registrant Facsimile Number: +44.01922725417
Registrant Email: alex@thebeavergroup.co.uk
Administrative Contact ID: TU2XYJW6YAKHDEMG
Administrative Contact Name: Alex Mason
Administrative Contact Organization: Beaver Electronics
Administrative Contact Address1: Alpine House
Administrative Contact Address2: Long Street
Administrative Contact City: Walsall
Administrative Contact State/Province: West Misdlands
Administrative Contact Postal Code: WS29DY
Administrative Contact Country: Great Britain (UK)
Administrative Contact Country Code: GB
Administrative Contact Phone Number: +44.01922725554
Administrative Contact Facsimile Number: +44.01922725417
Administrative Contact Email: alex@thebeavergroup.co.uk
Billing Contact ID: TU2XYJW6YAKHDEMG
Billing Contact Name: Alex Mason
Billing Contact Organization: Beaver Electronics
Billing Contact Address1: Alpine House
Billing Contact Address2: Long Street
Billing Contact City: Walsall
Billing Contact State/Province: West Misdlands
Billing Contact Postal Code: WS29DY
Billing Contact Country: Great Britain (UK)
Billing Contact Country Code: GB
Billing Contact Phone Number: +44.01922725554
Billing Contact Facsimile Number: +44.01922725417
Billing Contact Email: alex@thebeavergroup.co.uk
Technical Contact ID: TU2XYJW6YAKHDEMG
Technical Contact Name: Alex Mason
Technical Contact Organization: Beaver Electronics
Technical Contact Address1: Alpine House
Technical Contact Address2: Long Street
Technical Contact City: Walsall
Technical Contact State/Province: West Misdlands
Technical Contact Postal Code: WS29DY
Technical Contact Country: Great Britain (UK)
Technical Contact Country Code: GB
Technical Contact Phone Number: +44.01922725554
Technical Contact Facsimile Number: +44.01922725417
Technical Contact Email: alex@thebeavergroup.co.uk
Name Server: DNS1.FASTHOSTS.CO.UK
Name Server: DNS.FASTHOSTS.CO.UK
Created by Registrar: TUCOWS INC.
Last Updated by Registrar: TUCOWS INC.
Domain Registration Date: Tue Mar 08 12:44:34 GMT 2005
Domain Expiration Date: Wed Mar 07 23:59:59 GMT 2007
Domain Last Updated Date: Tue Mar 08 15:05:03 GMT 2005>>>> Whois database was last updated on: Fri Mar 18 13:27:03 GMT 2005 <<<<
And…
Domain Name:
xpointsolutions.co.ukRegistrant:
David BrockRegistrant’s Address:
BM3102
LONDON
LONDON
WC1N 3XX
GBRegistrant’s Agent:
Fasthosts Internet Limited [Tag = FASTHOSTS]
URL: http://www.fasthosts.co.ukRelevant Dates:
Registered on: 01-Oct-2004
Renewal Date: 01-Oct-2006Registration Status:
Registered until renewal date.Name servers listed in order:
dns.fasthosts.co.uk 213.171.192.251
dns1.fasthosts.co.uk 213.171.193.249WHOIS database last updated at 13:30:01 18-Mar-2005
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(c) Nominet UK 1996 – 2005For further information and terms of use please see http://www.nic.uk/whois
Nominet reserves the right to withhold access to this service at any time.Of course the first one there, the domain used for email on the site Dave found, was only registered on the 8th of this month, days before we hear that Beaver is in liquidation. The admin contact details given are clearly for the Beaver Group as that was what it was registered with and, clearly even if it was an employee, on behalf of Beaver.
But this, the transfer of the phone number and the trading address would indicate that they knew they were going to liquidate, no doubt at great cost to some creditors I should imagine, yet they continue to trade under another guise. Now, if my memory serves me corretly that’s illegal isn’t it?
I’m sure some of the Beaver Group’s creditors would like to hear of this.
Form the second one it would appear that David Brock and our very own shining star, Jonathan Trubshaw have been planning for this since late 2004 but probably a lot longer than that. And why is the principal listed as Herr Trubshaw anyway if he’s only a mere salesman? 😉
K.
Its really nothing to do with the limited company, it’s extremely well covvered fro us in the site T&C which I did nearly two years ago. 😉
I told you, I think long term.
What worries more is some muppet frying themselves and coming back on saying that due to us they got injured or worse. It also worries me that any one of us could be personally taken to task over some advice, given in good faith or not.
In due course (i.e. funds allowing) we will investigate insurance against such things coming back on UKW, but I doubt any insurer would look at indemnifing everyone as a blanket cover and, if they would, I’d hate to think what it’d cost!
The problem with another forum is that you have to get people to actually read the damn thing! I have another thought though but I don’t know just how feasable it is technically as it needs hard coding into the forums, therefore Trevor. But if I go down that path then the idea of linking all the pertinent articles becomes a lot more sensible.
K.
There’s been the odd one or two that have thrown even a very experienced Smeg engineer let’s say. 😉
Much head scratching was involved in the resolution of a couple of calls due to this. But yes, they are linked as the PCB controls the machine, full stop.
K.
Yeah I want to link it in to all those kinds of things Chris so it’s “in your face” but not, if you know what I mean. Basically a high profile and I guess we could actually add your post content to it as well, never thought of that. 😕
Also, if you do an announcement you should “lock” the thread, then the tossers can’t post to the thread.
Whilst we’re on the subject…
What can we tidy up/amalgamate in the way of announcements within the public forums, or can we? Is it worth considering a forums solely for announcements advice with locked threads? Would anyone bother to read it?
K.
Oh yes, teachers… gotta love ’em! 😕
Had a few in my time, it has to be after 4.45pm etc., college lecturers and doctors are just as bad though.
The favourite this week though according to Craig and, I’ve heard it so often I’m pig sick of it, “it’s and emergency, I have kids you know”. Hmm, along with almost every other customer, so I’m left wondering just how that makes them special.
K.
Oh just one more thought or two for all you realists out there…
If business is booming for SP then why is there no “we are contracted to” type statements or “we offer work from XXXXXX”? 😕
And if there’s no big work there then how are they paying all these wages? I mean, let’s face it, you woouldn’t expect any of the lead conspiritors to be working for much less than £40K and a Merc, or maybe an Audi would you? That’s a fair old bit of funding to find.
K.
Re: Service Power?
This one is set to run and run I think.
I think it was Alex that said to me, “engineers don’t get mad… they get even”, how true. Already many of the NESN agents have been taken to task, were fired summarily or lost work through the direct actions of some parties involved heavily in this affair. And to the bitter end they seem to have “had it in” for NESN, although that should hardly come as a surprise to anyone who’s been following the various tales of woe.
Mr Ince formerly the MD of The Beaver Group which you can see on the web whilst the site is still live at http://www.thebeavergroup.co.uk is, to my knowledge, sitting on the board of Elesco, a kind of pan-European NESN type affair. And for your viewing pleasure they can be found here; http://www.elesco-eur.com/
Now, legend has it that Mr Ince and Mr trubshaw negotiated the deal between NESN and Elesco with a view to NESN becoming the UK arm of Elesco, so far so good you may think. Well no, as in an effort to (from what I can see) shaft the directors of NESN, Mr Ince was the UK Director or chief bottle washer (whatever) and NESN ended up with… yep, zip, nadda! From what I can tell with info that is entirely unnoficial and some that is Elesco are now shunning NESN in favour of this Service Power crew. Knowing the company that they’re keeping I would not be a bit surprised if there’s a deal been wangled there or some ludicrous contract conditions placed.
But then if you look at the updated Elesco website you find that the head office is now billed as being…
Elesco wrote:Headquarters:
+44 178 940 0300
ELESCO Europe Ltd.
7, Church Street
Alcester, Warwickshire
B49 5AJ
UKWhoa, stop the bus! This is supposed to be Europeans invading us, not the other way around! 😕
So going back to The Beaver Group, as we know it’s in liquidation but interestingly it’s more like a change of name as all the phone numbers are still live and, to our knowledge, they still reside in the same building. Neat trick.
Now we get wind that Service Power are moving there as well.
We also know that The Beaver Group has loads of companies, three confirmed thus far, in different guises. Would it surprise me if the Elesco address above was one of them, not in the slightest.
But it is indeed a tangled web and the information is slowly coming out in the wash as it were and I’ll tell you something that is absolutely and catagorically for sure…
The whole thing smells more fishy than Penguin’s dinner!
K.
