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Re: DIPLOMAT OVEN ADP0500
Hi Gill,
BG are supposed to be able to repair any appliance, or so they say! The reality seems to be somewhat different from the blurb in the brochures.
The appliance is a pretty common one, spares are easily available from ourselves (spares@ukwhitegoods.co.uk) or from MFI themselves and you can reach MFI Extracare on 08457 959722 and they too will be able to provide any spares required.
There are, in addition to that, MFI’s own engineering force as well as over sixty approved independent repairers that work on behalf of MFI throughout the UK from Shetland to Land’s end. It’s really not hard to get it repaired or obtain spares.
Makes you wonder what the problem with BG is doesn’t it?
K.
Re: heat pump tumble dryer
This actually has turned into an very interesting little exercise for me today.
I went to one of the electricity suppliers on the net that had a calculator on it which can be found here:
http://www.ukpower.co.uk/running-costs-elec.asp
Then on to Zanussi’s website and looked up the spec on a TD4112W condensor dryer and found out it burns 2700W per hour. You can pick one up for £150 or thereabouts but we’ll assume a cost of £200 for round figures.
To dry a load (5Kg) takes 55 minutes spun at 1400rpm (or above I presume) to get the load “cupboard dry”.
Assuming an average use of 20 hours per month with a cost per kWh of 5.5 pence this would incur a cost of £2.97 to run such a dryer per month for the 20 hours of use.
If the the increase in cost is about correct for the HP dryer, same scenario almost as I was discussing a few months ago about the gas dryers by the time you add the installation costs, bringing the total cost to about the £400 mark. You end up with an approximate £200 difference in cost to buy which, in pure electricity usage terms would give an additional 1346.8 hours of running to the Zanussi before the purchase price of the HP machine was justifiable. Based on the average of 20 hours a month use this is over five and a half years worth of use.
Even if the heat pump reduced the energy consumption by half, which I doubt in the real world, it would still not be an economically viable proposition to an “average” family.
Rough figures but I’m sure you get the point, but marketing and playing to people’s desire to be seen to be green often negates the actual real world reality. The EU’s ECO labelling system is not ideal IMO as this shows if they rate that dryer as an A class.
K.
Re: heat pump tumble dryer
It probably would not be manufactured here in the UK at all Nicola.
There is only (to my knowledge) only two UK owned manufacturers left of any note, Crosslee and Dyson and both have appliances manufactured outside the UK, as we all know in the case of Dyson.
But consider this. If the heat pump dryer costs ~£400 and a standard condensor dryer only ~£170-200, who’s going to buy one in mass market terms? It would be a niche product I would suspect at best, as £200 buys the electricity that would be used over the life of the appliance in a standard machine thereby offsetting the additional cost to buy and negating any savings made in terms of electricity.
Then you have to consider that it’s unknown and unproven technology with no indication of the failure rate over the expected lifespan. So would they even go the distance? This is probably why you don’t see them for sale more than any other reason I should think as manufacturers simply won’t expose themselves to that kind of risk financially. Plus this trade, when it comes to product development moves at somewhere slightly shy of glacial pace!
As for the environmental argument I’d stand by my previous comments. I would also argue that the use of a washing line is by far and away the most environmentally friendly way to dry clothing, as well as the being generally accepted as the best method. House builders have also not helped the situation over the past few decades by omitting a true airing cupboard in modern builds.
It is therefore not, in my opinion, a viable alternative in real terms to a standard or condensor dryer as yet, but the heat pump could be a political winner by being “politically correct” on the face of it. Pity that politics and common sense rarely go hand in hand.
K.
Re: heat pump tumble dryer
Indeed Martin, a fascinating read.
From the context in the documnent (published in 2003) it looks to me as if it was all theory work and that there were no working models at that time.
Given the quotation of the Kyoto Accord I can but assume that this was instigated as a responce to that summit and that the object was to save energy. As usual however, whilst the author/s took into account the impact of electricity use of the domestic dryer and, to a degree, took account of the extra cost involved in the additional components to impliment such a system they totally ignored the environmental impact of the production of extra components, shipping and disposal. As gas filled products are more costly to dispose of and end of life.
I would expect, from an environmental point of view, that the additional factors involved would probably, if not totally, negate the benefits of the system to a large extent.
I can also see why, in a highly price sensitive market, that the manufacturers have shyed away from the product ignoring the fact that they will not be geared to produce it and that it is more complex and has more points o failure, therefore more likely to fail.
Just my thoughts on it.
Very interesting idea though.
K.
Ah but there has been certain people that I occasionally track been looking very carefully at that thread. 😉
I’m quite certain it’s all been reported back by now.
K.
Those are historical from the first day the module was live so they may well have been missed there or been testing the codes.
I’ts easy to see at a glance anyway so we can check, but they ain’t dated due to space limitations. 😕
The above is a problem that will be resolved soon I hope.
It also depends on whether you told us to fire everything in the are to you, if you listed brands you cover then only those would be added.
Again, that problem goes away in time with version 2 of Repairs@ (once we fund it) as you’ll be able to login and allocate stuff yourself without our intervention.
K.
Re: kwatt does a service call !!!!!
Oh all right then, let’s get it over with…
Yes, I did use Satnav, because it’s in the car and easier than messing with maps. Kevin should know he has it in his van. 😉
I need a nap alright, but not due to a service call.
Bryan, I’m not insane, mildly round the bend perhaps, but not totally insane… yet. However certain friends of mine are working towards my adopting full insanity in due course.
Oh and, even though the appliance wasn’t at fault a recall is expected tomorrow. 😆
K.
Re: kwatt does a service call !!!!!
Heh, the other one was a horrid Haeir thing, so I KNOW why they’re hated so! Had to change a motor on that thing, horrid, horrid thing.
Anyway, I’ve actually done a few this year, I like to get out into the real world every now and then and see what’s actually going on. The problem with it is that if you stay away for any more than a few months you get slow and forget stupid things. But it does keep me in touch with the machines and the hassles which is good.
What I’d really like is a nice little workshop so I can scrounge some machines off the manufacturers to take apart and review as well as, more interestingly, play a little game called “spot the muppet designer’s mistake”, which is always an entertainment. 😉
K.
Re: new networks and existing.
Hehe, some say good old Rudi…
Others wish to hell he’d stop breathing! :rotfl:
K.
Re: kwatt does a service call !!!!!
😆
Yep, tis indeed true. Some guy (struck me as a drug dealer type character actually) in Glasgow with the worst ever bouncy floor I’ve seen for years. The pictures on the opposite wall to the machine in the adjacent room bounced on the wall!
Of course the letting agents catagorically say it’s the Teka washer dryer that’s at fault (a Candy in disguise BTW, LSI-1000) and it sure ain’t that.
It was an easy one okay! 😉
K.
It’ll be down to cost then Nicola. If a manufacturer can’t see volume sales of a product happening then you’ve almost no chance of them seeing the light of day.
Then there’s the old cost to buy vs. cost to run argument to be had over the lifespan of the machine.
I now know what you’re talking about though.
Elektrabregenz do produce domestics but, so far as I am aware, they are not coming into the UK at the moment.
You mention the “A Rating”, don’t be too misled by those ratings as, whilst they indicate the use of power etc. on a single load, they tend to misleading in that the results and time taken to achieve that rating often do not meet with consumer expectations. 😉
K.
Re: Hotpoint FF92TC Problems
Legally, our problem that we get around up to a point, is that “competent” is deemed by a judge, not by peers. Define competent?
Problem is the rule of thumb is that “competent” requires that someone is trained in some manner or has experience in the field. An unrelated field, albeit with similarities, doesn’t cut it in a court of law. Now, the chances of anyone actually trying to sue any of us may well be remote but I’m sure you get the drift.
Point is, we can only go so far with the advice we give.
When it comes down to swapping out spares to find out if something is goosed then give up. Whilst we can and do in some cases have to do this ourselves, in such cases we accept the costs of doing it, if you buy the spares and fit them then there’s no way to return them as no supplier will accept them back if used.
K.
