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Re: Clothes never gets rinsed properly
I think I will just stick to powder because I have problems with liquids all the time. They are absolute rubbish to rinse out of clothing. Currently put a full load of underwear on at 60C with 1 Ariel Excel gel liquid-tab and even after 4 rinses the soap is still in the clothes. So they obviously aren’t dissolvable and will return them to the store and get a refund. I can be 110{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} certain there is no build up in my machine because I did a 90C maintenance wash last week with Afresh so the problem lies with the detergent. Liquid detergents should be removed from sale in my personal opinion as from what I hear they are no end of problems.
Ill go back to proper detergent i.e. the trusted powder 😀
Re: Clothes never gets rinsed properly
Just exactly how does liquid detergents stick to the insides of the workings of a washing machine? Its a liquid so in theory should be 100{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} dissolvable. Baffles me how a liquid could clog the workings of a machine up.
Re: Clothes never gets rinsed properly
Does your washing machine drain through a standpipe or under sink drainage? I would always suggest using a standpipe alone for a washing machine as the pumps pump out the water very fast and forcefully.
Lastly I do think modern detergents create too many suds even with the correct dosage. I live in hard water but there is no way I could use 130ml of Ariel Liquid for heavy soil which is recommended. I did once and had foam coming out the door. Needless to say I complained to Ariel and they gave me a voucher.
I use Sainsburys own brand which is actually a McBride product and find it very low sudsing so stick to that now. I use Simply powder tabs for whites and lights. I don’t why Ariel and Persil haven’t altered the dosage for out new high efficiency front loaders. The recommended amounts are excessive. They seem to have low suds detergents in America yet none that are truly low sudsing over here.
Re: Dettol Sanitizer
Ken,
Does oxygen based bleaching agents kill bacteria alone without added disinfectant? I know chlorine does but we don’t have that in laundry here in the UK as far as I am aware.
I am currently using Simply ‘Sensitive’ for whites and underwear and it washes well however they don’t stock any liquids anymore or much other variants. Are they going bust or reformulating their products? I thought you might know seeing as you know a lot about detergents!
Many Thanks
Re: Plumbing in Washing Machines
Hi Martin,
I thought as well but always good to get a second opinion. A friend of mine had the kitchen flooded and it was due to the blocked spigot. I suggested they get a stand pipe but wouldn’t have it so glad I got a second opinion.
I have both my washer and dishwasher in separate stand pipes and touch wood never had any problems! It does seem pretty common these days under sink drainage systems.
Re: Fillers in Powders/Tablets
I have never bought Calgon and it is marketing guff IMO too but thought Id ask.
I can’t believe how many products are on the market i.e. liquids and liquid-tabs, you would think the manufacturers wouldn’t make products that were not good but its all down to profit as usual.
Re: Fillers in Powders/Tablets
Are you talking about the Ariel and Persil powders? The powders all have anti foam ingredients whilst the liquids do not especially Persil ‘Small and Mighty’ How I know is I checked the Unilever website.
I have used Surf, Daz, Almat, Fairy, Bold, Persil, Tesco, Asda, Sainsburys, Simply, Ecover, Method, Halo Non Bio. I think I have tried the lot lol
I have very sensitive skin but Ariel biological never given me a rash. The non biological theory is marketing guff as I think you pointed out in one of your posts on another thread.
I don’t think I have any more questions for you know except does the branded detergents contain limescale protection and anti corrosion ingredients? I emailed Marks and Spencer and they don’t contain any ingredients to protect the machine. You have convinced me that powders are better from what you say. Will steer clear of the liquids then as from memory never had problems before all this liquid came onto the market. Ill keep things simple.
Re: Fillers in Powders/Tablets
Well you know what your talking about and I trust what your saying as opposed to detergent makers.
Which powders then are best to stick to and best for breaking down?
My test then proves nothing about detergents not being water soluble then?
By the way I meant oxygen based bleaching agent hydrogen peroxide. No way would I put chlorine in a washing machine, would rot the seals and hoses so I am told.
Re: Fillers in Powders/Tablets
@ K Watt Can’t I just add liquid bleach like Ace? That has hydrogen peroxide in. I really can’t stand powders simply because they don’t fully dissolve. I have a photo I took of all the fillers from a pack of persil colour tablets, despite pouring boiling hot water on them to make them dissolve they just don’t. Which makes me wonder where does the undissolved detergent go to? The sump, stuck around the outer tub I guess.
Here is the doage directions for Ariels ‘Clean and Compact’ liquid
Normal Soil: Soft 35ml, Medium 50ml, Hard 60ml
Heavy Soil: Soft 60ml, Medium 75ml, Hard 90mlNow despite living in a hard water area I can tell you that 60ml is way way too much and won’t rinse out properly. So I put in 30ml and clothes come out cleaner and don’t stink of detergent.
I never thought I would say it after always using Persil but Ariel is much better for rinsing now since they bought out this new liquid I use and the customer service I would give 10/10 at Ariel whilst Persil 0/10 nearly an hour I was kept waiting so in my opinion I rather give my money to P&G who actually care about their customers.
Re: Fillers in Powders/Tablets
Thanks I have tried asking them but they are not interested.
I will just buy Ariel Liquid format as I know its very concentrated and once a month do a 90C wash with limescale and detergent remover. Ariel liquids contain anti foaming agents however the Persil liquids contain none and I won’t be buying Persil or Surf anymore after useless customer service from Unilever. Took a load of Persil back to the shop today for a refund on principle!
As a consumer I get absolutely sick to death of these detergent makers using bulking agents. Why can’t we have concentrated powders with 100{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} active ingredients? Until then I will steer clear of powders and tablets for washers and dishwashers.
Its funny as some washer engineers recommend powder and some recommend liquid but I will stick to liquid but have to obviously do more high temperature washers.
Thanks for trying to help though.
Re: Optical Brighteners
Have always avoided them due to their bad press by some companies but never had a reaction to the Ariel or Persil Bio formats except a Tesco own brand what I used once and the whole household was covered in a red rash!
I never have nor would I ever use Fabric conditioner as it contains animal fat (tallow on comfort). Which also begs the question of animal fat being present in liquid detergents?
Re: Optical Brighteners
Should of read
Does anyone know how common allergies are to Optical Brighteners? And is there a powder/tablet for light or white clothing to keep them clean without the use of OBA’s?
Sorry about the typo error.
Re: Rinsing
I thought it was pretty straight forward to be honest!
You know when you wash up and empty the bowl of soapy water, well ever tried getting rid of the suds from Fairy liquid for example? The water drain outs the sink but leaves the foam behind, same thing with the washer. However it did that with the Ariel Excel Gel and not the New ‘Clean and Compact’ Ariel liquid.
I do not like fabric conditioner nor have I used it. Anything I could add to the final rinse water to ‘kill’ the suds? This never used to happen with detergents from the early 90’s from what I remember. They are formulated too foamy these days all because the general public like poxy soap bubbles!
