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Re: It’s too dark to work!
Just wondering Martin, have you taken your sunglasses off from when you were living the dream? :rotfl:
Re: Electrue/NESN
Seems that this topic raises its ugly head in most of the forums, Maybe its time we had a forum just concerning WP’s we could call it The Good the Bad and the Ugly.
(Well maybe drop the good)Seriously though, unless you have read most forums it is difficult to make a valid judgement on WP’s as they crop up in most of the forums and can be difficult to keep track of, my personal opinion of WP’s is well documented on this site and from what I have read I have no intention of changing that opinion.
I honestly do not understand how anyone working for themselves would allow others to dictate what he will get paid for a job, i.e. if your normal callout charge is say £35 why would you consider doing a job for £25? (or even less if its BER) How is that being in control of your own business? And as for saying who you can and can’t work for, why are you self-employed if you don’t want to decide that issue for yourself?
I would suggest to all that are interested in working for any WP that you get a sample contract off them and get it checked for restrictive clauses it may cost you initially but it could save your business in the long run.
Richard Scanlon Snr.Re: A Radical Thought
This is what I was trying to say about the subscriber’s section, you lot have more on your plates than ever before and the way things are going it will get worse for the moderators (my hero’s) I think you would be better off if you set a couple of members up not as moderators but to look into ideas and the feasibility of such which could then be offered to the Devine ones for consideration.
Richard Scanlon Snr 😀
Re: A Radical Thought
I can see your point there Jeremy but ask yourself what do you get out of the site? Is it worth your while looking at the site at all, how do you use it? Do you use it for the tech info or the latest gossip and warnings or just to chat with others in the trade?
Being a business man I would have thought you would see the difference between what can be done with £5000 against say £20,000. We are not kids who have got our pocket money and it’s burning a hole in our pockets, I think from just using the site you are getting your monies worth, the cost is less than the cost of a daily paper and the info that is available on site, or from the hundreds of others reading the posts can be invaluable to your business.
Some of the points brought up by Mr P are quite revealing and I wonder if there has been some off screen chat going on with the view to getting rid of the subscriber’s section? I would agree that in some cases it would prove more lucrative to make the offers available to all, particularly the things that Dave keeps bringing out; with more people to view them they could prove to be more attainable in respect of discounts and bulk buying.
But the whole question is should it go on? IMHO yes it should, stop worrying about what is happening with the subs, something will turn up that will make it more important that it was there when we needed it.
I think the site has lost some of its impetus since it started with repairs@ and project X, not because they are bad things but the forces that drove the site are, through necessity, having to concentrate on these projects to ensure their success. And also most of the moderators spend a great deal of time (for free) checking and answering post (both public and trade) and some running around to meetings for the betterment of the trade members so how can they be expected to do all this, run their business and have anything like a social life? And do you think it will get better? I don’t; because going by their record they will have something else in the pipeline. (http://www.worldwidewhitegoods.com) Perhaps!
To round up I think everyone who subscribes is getting more than what they are paying for. I know that the ones who don’t subscribe get most of it anyway but that is the nature of the site, you by subscribing are showing your loyalty and appreciation to the site.
In the end no one is forced to subscribe and you are free to stop at any time, if you are concerned about the cash that is building up make some suggestions on Martins thread (http://www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/modules.p … pic&t=9382) there was talk of having a meet abroad some time back use it to subsidise it, anything just don’t expect others to find the solutions, put your own thoughts forward.
Richard Scanlon Snr
Re: A Radical Thought
Very depressing thread this is! I can’t say I agree with all that is being put forward but everyone is entitled to their own opinion, indeed that is the mainstay of this site the freedom to express oneself openly and in doing so to accept the support or criticism your view bring forth.
Mr P is a splendid chap who has the widest shoulders I have ever known, but I think having his hair cut has made him a bit pessimistic with regards to this forum. There is a place for the subscribers and I think the problem is that more people are needed in here to swell the ranks and make the whole subscriber thing more viable.
Ok so there is a bit of money in the pot, so what, why are you in such a hurry to spend it? Did you subscribe just to get something back or to show support for the site and the hard work done by Ken and his cronies bringing it to us? Just because no really good ideas have come up yet doesn’t mean there isn’t one round the corner.
Since it’s inception when Martin was pestering everyone to join nothing has been done! Why has the whole subscribers thing been put on the back burner? Why not try to encourage others to join?
The chances to increase the subscriber membership have gone by with nothing done about it, I hope that my opposition to Mr P’s idea to make the CD thingy members only if it came off has nothing to do with his present stance, in my opinion repairs@ and project X should have been on the proviso of subscribing because these things actually can increase the work and income of the individuals and if they don’t make more of a profit from them in the year then give them their subscription back if they want it.
Lets face it the subscribers are in a club, others may come to the site and use it but it’s your club. Ken and his gang are very busy looking after the site, cooking up new deals and schemes and in all honesty I don’t really think that they have the time to devote to this forum and push it to others as is needed I think what is needed is for someone to volunteer to take on the internal advertising for the subscriber section with a view to swelling the ranks.
Re: UKW Subs Funding – the future?
How about getting sample contracts from WP’s and having them checked by a solicitor for unfair and restrictive clauses, so instead of just reading about what has happened to others we could make a informed judgement on whether the contract is fair and above board.
Re: UK Whitegoods Meeting – Feb 06
Has anyone thought to invite Yurtesen? I am sure he would be a great guest speaker. 8)
Re: parts/information cd’s.
Ok so as usual I need someone to explain what I am really saying, I meant nothing with regards to the Project X forum nor the subscribers special offers, but I was hoping that people subscribed because they believed in the site and what it was doing for them; not for what was on offer extra as a subscriber and the special offers that are in there are a bonus to those who chose to take them up.
I never meant that the CD/DVD that could be produced should be given away freely; everything has a cost and costs have to be met from somewhere, but to restrict these things to subscribers only will IMO also restrict the growth of the site and possibly put it into a decline,
Sell the CD/DVD to all that wish to buy it, most will want them for the parts breakdown and numbers anyway but the way things are being bandied about, it wont be long until the trade technical enquiries and trade work vacancies are relegated to the paying members only.
If I was still active in the trade I would have signed up for everything going and for every job I got out of repairs@ I would have made a voluntary contribution to UKW, imagine if everyone who has signed up for repairs@ gave say 10{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of the job profit into an account for UKW it would add up very quickly. And there are (as is being proved at the moment) other ways to raise money without forcing people to subscribe in order to get anything useful from the site.
My concern is that this site has made its name on being the only real place for repairers to gather and exchange information on many different parts of the trade whether it be technical or parts or even warnings of dodgy companies it was here and it was free and at the moment it still is.
I do not believe anyone has subscribed to the site for what they can get out of it; I think they have joined because of what they are getting out of it, showing support for the site and helping it to grow.
Martin we still do have things for free one of them is choice another is friendship and yet another is camaraderie, this site has promoted them all and I hope it will continue to do so
And that gentlemen is all I will say on this matter
Richard Scanlon Snr
