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Re: ‘No Call Out Charge’ beware!!!
I had thought, (just the one mind you as it is Sunday 8) ) firstly I have to agree with all sentiments posted so far (hang em) and as you have stated this seems to be a growing trend, placing adverts that we all know to be nothing more than a con to get hold of the money and once again give us ALL a bad name, but that wasn’t what I was going to say.
With the ASA and TS taking more interest these day are we safe using words like “expert” or “qualified”? Perhaps we should look more to words like “experienced” or “trained” and variations of such when doing our web pages or adverts and avoid the possibility of being open to a charge of misrepresentation. I know that some parts of the job do require qualifications like the corgi side of things but maybe we had better watch or backs before they do it for us.
Richard Scanlon SnrRe: DANCE WITH THE DEVIL
Well chaps I have enjoyed this particular discussion even if the response from others who have read the thread has been poor, those who have joined in have really expressed themselves in a very clear concise manner. For those of you who read what I believe will be the last entry to this thread I would ask you to also look at the Rumour Mill and some of the posts there and consider what I was trying to achieve by bringing the topic to this forum.
After reading various threads in the rumour mill I was astounded by the way some let the WP’s and Manufacturers walk all over them and then wait until they clime higher so they can crap on them from an even greater height, but such is life. I am glad that I personally am not in the position to need these people but I don’t think I would allow myself to be abused that way in any case.
It was been pointed out earlier’ some of the WP’s are trying to come together with the independents which I think is a good thing, but it is obvious that there is a hell of a long way to go before we can actually place any trust in them and until that time we only have each other to watch our backs for us. So it is important that if you have any knowledge of misdoing by these organisations POST IT!! Let others know, you never know, others may be in the same boat as you and by telling the folk on here it just may stop some poor sod from making the same mistake.
Remember if it sounds too good to be true it probably is, we all make choices make sure yours is the right one.
Richard Scanlon Snr
PS Check out Kwatts latest posting “A Tall Tale” it’s a cracker :rotfl:
Re: DANCE WITH THE DEVIL
Thank you for that Kevin I never thought you meant any slur to me personally and I hope that we all see each other as grown ups with our own way of looking at things otherwise we shouldn’t be posting anyway.
I have enjoyed this thread immensely but I would have liked some views from members other than moderators, not that I don’t enjoy your input and views but I have noticed over many of the threads that a lot of members read them, but for some reason don’t participate in the discussion, a great shame really as I am sure there is a lot of people with valid points and concerns that if voiced would be of great interest to us all.
Now back to it. So we have agreed that the way forward is through further dialogue with all concerned parties, very well next time you talk to the representatives of the manufacturers ask them for me why they think that there call out charge of around £80ish is ok but the thought of paying a decent rate to contractors is ridiculous? Also ask them if they get away with not paying their staff or cutting their wages due to a BER or an uncompleted repair? Ask them why they charge you for the privilege of ordering their well overpriced spares, or what is so important about fault codes that they cannot be freely available to the trade.
Most importantly ask them if they want a decent relationship with independents or just cheap labour so they don’t have to employ and TRAIN more of their own service staff.
These are my view and in no way representative of anyone else.
Richard Scanlon SnrRe: DANCE WITH THE DEVIL
Oh dear, would that be militant or Militant Kevin? I have never been a Trotskyite and I have given up my membership of the Labour party so I can’t be a Militant. Vigorous in support of a cause? Yes that could describe me so I could be a militant. My cause would be the bringing together the independents for the furtherance of a common cause and the improvement of conditions and training opportunities for all.
Why do you see the need to “kill at every mention” things you do not agree with? Is the idea of free speech so frightening? Surely you are bigger than that; or is free speech and the sharing of ideas for the elite few? Someone once said “I may not agree with what he says but I will defend to the death his right to say it” And that is how it should be.
From what I see, this trade is on the decline with very little new blood coming into it, the wages do not reflect the multiple skill levels needed today and in all honesty I cannot see too many ways to improve the way things are. People are tending to replace rather that repair due to the high cost of parts and the manufactures are definitely to blame on that score they make a greater percentage of profit on parts sales as against washer sales.
Lone workers with low overheads can adjust their charges in order to get the job but where does that leave people that employ others, they have to work to a minimum charge to cover their overheads before they even start making any profit. The outlook in this trade is looking bleaker by the year, if you raise the wages to attract others you have to charge more. can you afford to not have any income from an employee while you train them up or send them on courses, how does a young person get into the trade? There are many questions and no one is answering them.
We can all pussyfoot around issues of importance, to avoiding upsetting the applecart. From your post I see that you could have information that you are not willing or are unable at the moment to share, is it this applecart I may upset?
The original post was meant to stimulate a discussion on the issues raised there, and, should have been taken as a whole, remember that I learn as much from the reactions to the post as anyone does, you have to walk the line at times to gauge the reaction or even to get a reaction.
But having said all that I do agree that continuing dialogue with everyone is the only real way forward, and as for industrial action! That is never really the answer to anything.
If you want to see true militancy look at the DASA post
Richard Scanlon SnrRe: Another Merloni rip off!!!!!!!
To tell the truth Martin most of the things I do are very standard faults, what you may call the bread and butter jobs not that I refuse any, that’s just the way it is round here, the population is mainly unemployed or on benefits for one reason or another so the machines are usually over 5 years before I get to them and if it’s anything costly it’s a loan from the social and a new washer. I get very excited at the thought of getting my hands on recent models, as for dishwashers, the same applies I have done about 8 in 32 years.
I suppose that what most of you are talking about now will be of some use to me in the next 2 to 3 years LOL. Oh by the way I think you are all very clever 😀
Ok I surrender, I will bow to all your superior knowledge, now the glass is half empty. I will become lost in the depths of despair and pessimism “death where is thy sting”
BAA Humbug
Richard Scanlon SnrI would just like to say how much I have enjoyed following this discussion it has been one of the best I have come across on any forum, many ideas and views have been aired mostly good-naturedly with both wit and passion.
I hope that having this discussion will have given all an insight to how others see the problems facing the DASA and have the courage to put aside prejudice and ill feeling and concentrate on the future plans and ambitions to create a stronger more appealing association for the benefit of all present and future members.
It is not hard to see how some would see UKW as a threat to the DASA regardless of how much they are assured it is not, it seems that UKW has more members that the DASA but from what I have seen on this site it has been a good platform for discussions and information exchange between engineers from all over the UK and other countries, breaking down barriers and spreading information and opportunities very quickly between the members. Far from degrading the importance of the DASA I think it has spread more knowledge of the association to none members (the last time I heard of it was when it was first starting up) and as such more interest.
It is human nature to disagree over the way things should be done (look at my earlier posts) but to move forward, pride needs to be put aside and compromises that will bind and strengthen the membership put in place.
It is my sincere hope that due to this discussion most of the animosity has been expunged and that when you have your meeting you will be able move forward with intent, forget the past and ensure a new future which represents all: not just the loudest.
GOOD LUCK
Richard Scanlon SnrSee your point K but I’m sure the directive placed the responsibility squarely on the manufactures, so the councils will either stop collecting these items or will be looking to recover the cost of the service from them.
I will admit to having approached this from the information gained on the electronics side but I assume that the directive will be the same for all appliances, I may well be wrong (and I’m sure you will all correct me if I am). I still think that there will be some benefit for us in terms of reduced cost in parts and incentives to keep things going
I know that the other side is the customer’s perception of their machine and the idea of replacing rather than repairing but I myself will keep an optimistic outlook till it all goes pear shaped.
The truth is out there!!!!!
Richard Scanlon Snr
Re: Early starts, are you up for it.
Hi all that seems like a good job for kwatt and penguin from what I’ve seen on here they get up before they go to bed
Richard Scanlon Snr
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Re: glad i aint a hoover engineer anymore lol
Used to have fun years ago doing repairs to the Bendix outer tub, most folk wouldn’t touch em but we did, that had to come out of the top as well and it was bloody heavy and a sod to strip but good money Ah the good old days! I’ll keep away from that model
Richard Scanlon Snr
😯Re: An optimistic view!
See your point Kevin, but I still am of the opinion that the greens will want more out of this than recycled stuff I think their aim is to end the throw away society and make things last longer thus causing less pollution, they don’t care about jobs just the planet.
In the end, as I understand it the cost will have to be borne by the manufactures so it will be interesting to see how things turn out
Are you sure it was south pacific?
Richard Scanlon Snr
😯Re: An optimistic view!
Ah! I got you there Mr Penguin Sir, yes the production will reduce but due to the demand for repairs to keep the old cronks going we will need new blood in the repairs side of things running round fitting the £20 motors and £5 modules. Yes!!!! I have a dream, I’ve been to the mountain top.
Got to lay down for awhile
By the way is that from Oklahoma?
Richard Scanlon Snr
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