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i haven’t came across this yet but what is the correct procedure if you come across a high reading on an earth loop test .
is it mandatory that its recorded and a written unsafe statement given to customer – or is it just good practice ?
thanks ally
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Only qualified Part P sparkies are required to follow the regulations and are qualified as such to notify and inform customers
We have no legal requirement to inform or advise the customer however its good practice and could save someone’s life if you did find a problem and notified them.
Our sole concern is the appliance and our safety, when you test your testing to make sure its safe for you to work on the machine on that supply.
Obviously if your employed or contract to another company your required to follow there procedure but that’s to satisfy their requirements not the law.
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funkyboogy wrote:is it mandatory that its recorded and a written unsafe statement given to customer – or is it just good practice ?
Not mandatory at all but it would indeed be good practice to put the result in writing and suggest the owner contact a qualified electrician to further establish the reason for the faulty earth path.
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Dont get it, he isnt qualified so his test result is worthless, all he can do is say that he thinks there is a problem, his testing carries no value as he simply isnt qualified to give a written report. Thats like me a non gas safe engineer telling a customer that i think thier gas cooker is faulty when i am fixing the washing machine, my opinion carries no weight behind it!
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DrDill wrote:Dont get it, he isnt qualified so his test result is worthless, all he can do is say that he thinks there is a problem, his testing carries no value as he simply isnt qualified to give a written report.
Worthless Doc? Let’s not be too harsh towards someone that, whilst is not qualified – true, still has the ability to realise there is something wrong and has the foresight not only to tell someone of his or her findings but also has the good sense to note it down, that’s all. I know you are all for good working practices yourself and whether you hold any qualifications or not, would surely not ignore any untoward readings your test meter may at some point dole out, would you?
Many of us have a thermometer in the medicine cabinet at home and know that any reading over 98.6 means there’s something wrong. Though we are far from qualified to know what? So, who you gonna call eh?……. Ghostbusters?
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DrDill wrote:Dont get it, he isnt qualified so his test result is worthless, all he can do is say that he thinks there is a problem, his testing carries no value as he simply isnt qualified to give a written report. Thats like me a non gas safe engineer telling a customer that i think thier gas cooker is faulty when i am fixing the washing machine, my opinion carries no weight behind it!
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Some of us are qualified and hence i would think my readings carry some weight, as for gas thats another matter.Re: electrical safety testing ?
If your a qualified sparks then of course you are then able to tell the customer as someone qualified to tell them.
If your not qualified i mean your written report is worthless and like i said you can only tell them of your thoughts.
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so just as i thought – good practice , not legal/mandatory
i would still advise customer myself if i thought earth path was faulty.
its another situ where if you were last at appliance etc and didnt check earth etc what would happen if customer got a shock etc..
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And the other side of the fence is that you tell them about the fault and a qualified electrician is called out and he finds no faults and the customer then gets a bill that they didnt need! And how did you wash test the machine? And did you leave it unplugged? Sorry unless you are qualified to make such diagnosis then you shouldnt get involved beyond the washing machine.
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Loop testing domestic appliances is generally confined to hard wired units, specifically built in double ovens. A very necessary procedure overall, rather than the likes of washing machines. But…….. sigh!……… we have argued this subject time and time again, some of us do the right thing for all the right reasons and others don’t give a monkeys…… sums it all up really! :rolls:
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I have always beleived that unless you do something about the result of any test, then there is no point in doing it.
So if your test says a machine or installation is faulty, then doing nothing is worse than not doing the test.
Just my opinion.
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Because you can only see your point of view and cant see beyond that.
Martin, at no stage did i say i didnt do any tests or offer my opinion to customers on the result of any tests, i am merely pointing out that unless you hold the qualification your test is worthless to the customer. And yes your right its been discussed to death before.
Oh and before you reply i know you didnt directly say i didnt do the right thing
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its another situ where if you were last at appliance etc and didnt check earth etc what would happen if customer got a shock etc..
As Professional Service Engineers deemed as so as we are supplying a service to members of the General Public and charging money for it, ( this does not take account if the Service Engineer is qualified or a complete idiot as we all know that there are those who test and those who do not ) it would be expected that any engineer would or should have ensured the appliance was safe to use and by not applying the proper tests which would reveal such a fault that the Engineer was negligent. The law may not specify that these tests are mandatory and recorded and here I am thinking about Earth Tests of the appliance being serviced and polarity checks on the sockets being used.
Surely in the instance that a member of the General Public was injured or killed by a faulty appliance that had been touched recently by such a deemed Professional in the sense of that definition that they would carry responsibility for failing to address such a fault.Re: electrical safety testing ?
You may not be qualified, but your equipment is. Notify the respective body, or the customer, meanwhile including in your report the type of equipment that showed the negative readings.
Yesterday whilst repairing a washing machine for an estate company, I got a shock when removing a washer from its housing. When I used my tester on the socket it showed a reverse polarity. When I reported it along with the type of equipment that took the reading the company sent out an electrician within 30 mins.
The safety of your customers is imperative to good relations and future work from that customer.
George
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Just for the record do you realise 75{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of all qualifed electrians FAIL their inspection and testing course (2391) and the highest its ever been is 50{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d}! Great you really want to call that lot in! And yes i passed mine! Hence why i know! In my experience engineers already go way past the mark of so called professionals and electrians! How many electrians machines you fixed who can not fault find you fixed?? And how many electrians you called to your house to fix a fault? They’re not all that clever but saftey checks are still needed regardless.
Phil
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