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Re: electrical safety testing ?
I agree with all the safety testing but a quick look under the sink to see if the pipes are bonded aswell would not go a miss while you are trying to unplug the machine!
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philfish wrote:I agree with all the safety testing but a quick look under the sink to see if the pipes are bonded aswell would not go a miss while you are trying to unplug the machine!
Here comes another can of worms into the fray and no mistake. :rolls:
I’ll start it off, why bother when an earth resistance test to the cold tap would suffice?
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Why not go the whole hog and check the consumer unit as you walk in through the front door, is the earth there, is it an earthing rod in the ground outside?
Where will it end? Or start for that matter?
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DrDill wrote:Or start for that matter?
Perhaps that’s where British Gas have the edge? Hi Viz jackets, evacuate all pets and kids and cordon off the whole area!
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Just saying earth continuity being paramount, that is what will save your life under fault conditions is it not? Its important on the machine and electricity supply but not he the pipework? Which Could be attached to other faulty appliances boiler, dishwasher fridge etc its only a glance less then a second! Your there anyway!
If you go down that route martin it does not work like that because your measuring the path of the water instead of the reliability of the bonding. And even all plastic fittings should be looped, So say for example a plummer is working on the system not unlike. the poor soul who got killed and drains it at least he can rely on the bonding as opposed to the path of the water.
It will never stop until there is proper guidelines, rules and regulations for the industry . mock it all you want it is only half a job unless you can do it properly and back it up!
And yes you should look at the board and incoming earth if your doing a proper loop test but we have already covered that!Re: electrical safety testing ?
Oh just for the record proper loop testers measure the re or incoming earth anyway so it’s a piece of cake if your already doing a loop test
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philfish wrote:If you go down that route martin it does not work like that because your measuring the path of the water instead of the reliability of the bonding.
You’re absolutely correct and it is true to say I was being a little flippant over your suggestion toward a simple earth bond inspection and for that I apologise. Just my crude attempt of making light all of this safety thing was perhaps not such a good idea. Safety is paramount and the ability to quickly locate any potential hazard and deal with it is a valuable asset.
Speaking personally, I’ve never been trained up to 17th edition and in truth wouldn’t recognise a correct earth bonded system even if I fell over it. Though my spark friend has up-graded my 1950’s bungalow, earth bonded everything including the ruddy windows and also put in a chuffin’ great earth rod for my radio gear. And that was before he put in a new consumer unit and separated one huge ring main into two. So if I spot anything a little ‘untoward’ in a customers house I get him on the case.
Meanwhile I Megger, Martindale and Loop test all that my job commits me into doing. If my loop tester tells me their earthing is loopy I get him in on the case.
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So what in your “Esteemed opinion” is sufficient proof that the tests have been done ?.
You’ll never know 100{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d}, but you simply lower the level of doubt when the tech your investigating has invested in qualifications, equipment and paid the relevant fee to be registered (When regulation/Registration is in force). Most of incidents I’ve come across in the Gas side have been people with limited funds, money grabbers and or intellect.
As for recording results being useless unless your qualified & regulated, where does being qualified / regulated stop you being a pratt & doing bad work or ensure you carry out correct testing ?.
If regulation is done correctly those people would/should be removed from the body that regulates leave the industry.
A registry of dodgy people made available to employers/contractors would also help.
It does’nt I spent an awful lot of my working life going around after some highly qualified Electricians / Engineers & clearing up the mess they left behind & they’re shoddy work.
Then there not by definition highly qualified. I’ve done the same but I wouldn’t class them as that.
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There is no quick fix answer, after all if you find a dodgy installation and instructed the client there is no guarantee the client will resolve the issue, especially in our current economic climate, its hard enough getting a client to understand the fault your charging them for, add extra’s like they need an electrician when there is no visible fault would be to say the least interesting…….
It helps though to have a start and finish, defined so that everybody is aware of there responsibilities, are trained and at least regulated to an industry standard.
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Then there not by definition highly qualified. I’ve done the same but I wouldn’t class them as that.Lee I don’t class them as Highly Qualified either, unfortunately they had the paperwork to say they were.
1 of my ex bosses was a qualified Electrical Engineer, but for example couldn’t work out motor loadings & cable sizes. Another of his little C***k up’s was spending 2 hours on big job trying to figure out the polarity of an AC supply for a lighting system. His sidekick, another 1 who was paper qualified blew up a £1.000+ motor controller when he wired a 3 phase supply to the links on a motor.
Another firm, another “Qualified” Electrician caused a flood in an office block & took out the mains intake when he connected 2 phases of a 3 phase cable to a single phase water heater & blew a hole in the tank it was fitted to.So do you see what i’m getting at when I say that being Qualified doesn’t necessarily mean you can do the job properly or that what you do is safe.
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Specialist01269 wrote:[quote lee8]
Then there not by definition highly qualified. I’ve done the same but I wouldn’t class them as that.Lee I don’t class them as Highly Qualified either, unfortunately they had the paperwork to say they were.
1 of my ex bosses was a qualified Electrical Engineer, but for example couldn’t work out motor loadings & cable sizes. Another of his little C***k up’s was spending 2 hours on a job trying to figure out the polarity of an AC supply for a lighting system. His sidekick, another 1 who was paper qualified blew up a £1.000+ motor controller when he wired a 3 phase supply to the links on a motor.
Another firm, another “Qualified” Electrician caused a flood in an office block & took out the mains intake when he connected 2 phases of a 3 phase cable to a single phase water heater & blew a hole in the tank it was fitted to.So do you see what i’m getting at when I say that being Qualified doesn’t necessarily mean you can do the job properly or that what you do is safe.
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