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Re: electrical safety testing ?
Theres that word “regulation” i mentioned this some time ago and not many thought it would be a good idea, i am fully for it!
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I’d like it to go further and regulate who can purchase components or certain components not be sold unless a qualification can be provided by the customer/business, also getting rid of online video help.
Controversial and would result in certain companies suffering and job losses.
Maybe someone in Beko could point out that whilst there products pose a risk, there intensive safety testing etc ensures they poses less of a risk than say a repair industry outside of the brands control which is unregulated and with no formal qualification. Without it is it possible to prove anybody is competent to work safely, some issues may need rectifying.
From whispers I’ve heard on this subject it may be that this could be coming, although for certain people this has more to do with market share than safety.
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lee8 wrote:From whispers I’ve heard on this subject it may be that this could be coming, although for certain people this has more to do with market share than safety.
Good news indeed then, do keep us informed if you hear more won’t you?
Whilst a sort of ‘Gas Safe’ regulation would put most of us out of a job making way for a new breed of ‘engineer’ armed to the teeth with test equipment and with the power to cut the power. Though how good that would be for the trade AND public alike is hard to imagine. Still, better safe than sorry I suppose. 😀
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The simple fact is regulation does not make any difference, I can go online and buy a gas valve for a boiler, fit it and there is nothing in place to stop me, yes it’s illegal as I’m not gas safe but do I care ? Driving at 40 in a 30 is also illegal ?
All regulation does is cost the reputable guys as they follow the rules, your Micky the gas or John the sparks who does a bit on the side does not care, this was one of the reasons I got away from the electrical work as I was spending £400 a a year on registering and paying each time with part P and billy down the road who was doing work on the side was under cutting me, no insurance no costs.
I agree in the perfect world every one would play ball but it simply does not happen.
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The speeding bit isnt a valid argument, doing 40mph isnt illegal, its just punishable if its above the mandatory limit in place!
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Regulations costs money thus pushes up the cost of repairs.
If you are talking about £400 a year to register then it makes domestic appliance repair unsustainable. Where do you draw the line? There was a huge ooh aah’s over who should wire up a plug years ago. In came moulded plugs which kinda reiterate that ONLY qualified technician should wire up a plug. We now know it’s not the case.
As for plumbing, should a qualified plumber be employed to install the washing machine because we could be contaminating the water supply?
Should a window cleaner need to be FENSA registered because of working at height?
We are not a police state.
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The problem is not the guys who are in the trade, it never has been, its the DIY and the guys working on the side
My point is no matter the law, legislation or overseeing bodies created it does not stop these people.
Gas Safe and Part p have been around now for years and its not made any difference, its just caused the legit guys a hell of a lot of cost and headache, there are more people working on the side now more than ever.
Just a note, breaking Any speed limit is deemed a Criminal offence, the punishment is far less than you would expect for normal crimes but its still officially a crime
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madangler1 wrote:Just a note, breaking Any speed limit is deemed a Criminal offence,
A fact that even Chris Huhne would agree with now. :clown:
madangler1 wrote:The problem is not the guys who are in the trade, it never has been, its the DIY and the guys working on the side
You make it sound like it’s a jungle out there when in truth the vast majority of installations, be they gas or electric, are better/safer now than even just 10 years ago.
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Martin wrote:
madangler1 wrote:
Just a note, breaking Any speed limit is deemed a Criminal offence,You make it sound like it’s a jungle out there when in truth the vast majority of installations, be they gas or electric, are better/safer now than even just 10 years ago.
I’d agree with that, there really is no issue, I’m just very anti legislation, I saw part p come in and its just destroyed so many good guys, infact it made a lot of guys loose work as kitchen fitters can do a 1 week coarse and do what ever the hell they want as long as they don’t change the board.
Just made a joke of the whole thing.
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Why cant they change the board ? But your right about Part P, a lot of my friends in the Trade won’t even bother with Domestic anymore. They see Part P as an insult and lets not even get going on the other Farce, 5 Day Domestic Installer courses.
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The kitchen fitters coarse allows them to do what ever they want to “existing circuits” but they can’t replace the board or add new circuits but “that new ring was already there is just replaced all the cabling” excuse seems to get them through just fine.
Basically its a licence to do what they want.
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Ah right, I never actually looked into the Limited scope side of things. Whole thing is a load of rubbish from start to finish, does’nt stop anyone messing with Electrics just means more do under the counter / cash in hand work & from what i’ve seen certainly does’nt stop any of the butchery.
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Average yearly rate of 70 deaths a yr are attributed to faulty Domestic Appliances in the UK.
So if regulation does not work, bringing in legal requirements to safety test and appliance does not work.
Then maybe we leave safety testing alone, go the European way and don’t test appliances and accept if someone dies, well at least its sunny in UK case raining and it wasn’t me, go and have a beer and enjoy life whilst you still got it.
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lee8 wrote:Average yearly rate of 70 deaths a yr are attributed to faulty Domestic Appliances in the UK.
So if regulation does not work, bringing in legal requirements to safety test and appliance does not work.
Then maybe we leave safety testing alone, go the European way and don’t test appliances and accept if someone dies, well at least its sunny in UK case raining and it wasn’t me, go and have a beer and enjoy life whilst you still got it.
Yes but how many of these were as a result of a repair done by an engineer before hand ?
At the end of the day you can make it law but if there is no call on the machine then there is no one to test it.
People using dangerous and faulty appliances when they should have been binned or repaired is a very different problem and mandatory testing won’t make any change to this.
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lee8 wrote:Average yearly rate of 70 deaths a yr are attributed to faulty Domestic Appliances in the UK.
Do you have a source or a link for that information?
I wonder just how many of those are actually large, kitchen appliances and how many are hand held devices such as hairdryers and other small appliances such as kettles, toasters, vacs etc. Do they also include lawn mowers and hedge trimmers in those figures?
Jim.
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