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Re: Neff fan oven elements
Hi Folks!
I can only fit genuine elements for obvious reasons 😉
I’ve never had a problem with elements failing within 12 months once replaced, I know alot of the local independants by me are turning to genuine elements now due to the failure rate of pattern ones (especially the 494643 equivelent)
I have to agree with BSH Man on this subject and suggest only fitting genuine elements.
The holes in the fan motor assembly (096825) have indeed been added to aid cooling to the motor shaft.
I would be cautionary as to not fitting the screw behind the fan in the top of the half moon 494643 element as they can become distorted and ‘sag’ at higher tempretures thus catching the fan 😯
The updated backplates are only for appliances that may have uneven cooking (cooking more on one side than other) and will be more likely to be seen under warranty as the fault will be apparent from new,ther is no known connection as far as im aware between backplates and element failures.
Its also worth remembering if someone complains about insufficiant cooking results on an older oven checking as to shelf position, Shelf 2 can cause odd things to happen if a large item blocks the air vent. 💡
As for getting the fans off….I have a large pair of adjustable pliers that I always use to pull the fan from the shaft sometimes appling heat if neccesary.
Regards
Steve 🙂A tip i was given , once the screw behind the fan blade has been removed , is to replace it with a ‘flat-headed’ screw as sometimes , after replacement , the fan blade can catch on the original round headed screw. I think this is caused by a slight bending of the motor fan shaft , usually when extra force has been required to remove the fan blade itslef
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Bryan wrote:I put a small squirt of WD40 on the shaft/fan , leave it for 5 minutes , then as you say Greg hold the shaft and turn the fan a few times 💡 .
Bryan
This works EVERYTIME. I did have my doubts about WD40 and the ilk, but I have tried it and Bryan is 100{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} correct on this.
Ignore my reply to Bryan in this thread, no lasting smells or ignition of vapour. 😉Greg
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Got home on Christmas day to find a message on the answerphone. Regular customer who I’d fitted Neff pattern element to the oven in June had put on dinner for 14 family to be met with a pop. They were very polite about it (probably more than I’d have been if it was reversed) and realised that there was not much I could have done in the circumstances.
Going round today to check it out 😥 .
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Why is it that when work is quiet and the only time the phone rings you get either crap job request you don’t want to take on or blokes looking for Bosch carbon brushes to buy and half moon 494643 element’s blown up again recalls?
Of the latter I’m sick to death with the whole issue TBH :rolls:
I’m seriously thinking of ‘knocking it on the head’ to even attempt fitting these lousy elements. I’ve had more trouble with the pattern elements I don’t bother with them any more. And have on the last few occasions only fitted the genuine article but it appears that, from my experience at least, that they are worse!
Looking through my records it appears that they are good for (on average?) about 4 months of regular family cooking useage, beyond that it’s a no no. So whilst I guarantee all the work I do and parts I fit for 12 months have decided to ‘move the goalposts’ so to speak and now I only guarantee elements, heaters, door handles etc for just 3 months. Which I think is a fair guarantee and just long enough to retain a certain respectability as far as work guarantees are concerned.
So much so that the lady in question with the Neff (under the worktop single) oven I fitted back in March is more than willing to pay the full cost again of fitting yet another element. Simply because to avoid the hastle involved in finding a more suitable replacement oven and the subsequent disconnection/reconnection/removal of old unit issues…..so that’s OK for me at least, providing of course the next element I fit holds out beyond 3 months?????
Therefore, and as a result of my problems, I welcome your thoughts on work guarantees especially with regard to bl**dy oven elements and the dreaded HALF MOON jobby!!!!!!!!!! 👿
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I now avoid the half moons at all costs, after several failures with gen & non gen (2 to 4 months average 😥 ) i simply cant be ar$ed with them any more. What annoyed me most was when a long standing & valued customer asked if i was “fitting used parts because of the economic situation”
Had thought of drilling a couple of holes ( with cust permission 😉 ) & fitting a standard 2 turn ele of some description but modifications & really hot things sometimes dont mix 😯
Re: Neff fan oven elements
Hi all,
Have a half moon element oven and it trips consumer unit but as soon as it is reset it will go again for 5 mins and trip again. Straight away it reads 4 ohms but after 10 seconds is up to 24 ohms so will change the element and hope for the best unless anybody has any other ideas.
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I know, this one was fitted by someone else 6 weeks ago and refuses to go back but I’ll give 6 months and keep fingers crossed 😆
In my mind its a poor design on this element. I would say 9 times out of 10 , its the bottom right corner ‘bend’ that pops and i believe the radius of the bend is too tight .
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I have just had a genuine 2 stud that lasted TEN MONTHS!!! wow yippeeee
I have started giving just six months guarantee, but this customer (Who incidently took three months & threat of CCJ before paying) has now said that would I kindly provide date of purchase from Neff.
He has a friend that works for trading standards and they said that he should take it up with Neff :rolls:
Three month guarantee now on all Neff elements I fit and twelve months on all the others!
Trading standards have advised me that providing it is in writing and customer is made fully aware before agreeing to have the repair carried out then 3 months is okay!
I have had a half moon element shorting on the strap that holds the insulation in place …..it pops after about thirty seconds of glowing bright red!
I don’t seem to get any more life at all from gen neff as opposed to pattern I also wonder what guarantee you all get from suppliers?
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We use in the main Unifit / Homespare elements and generally do not get any problems within 12mths.
They may cost a little more but if they last longer then at least its not an embarrasing recall customer blaming it on shoddy workman ship!
If concearned you are out of pocket just charge a bit extra for the elements to cover the odd failure, but many pattern elements only cost £8 and retail for well over double so shouldnt need too.
The other thing i have found on occasions is Cleaning products (if they clean em)? 😳
When a customer goes mad and do a yearly clean usually just before christmas. They spray mr XXX everywhere, but foget to take the liners off or protect the element.
IMO these cleaning products cause premature failure.
You can tell the ones who do use it as when you remove the rear covers there a white slimey streaks all over. :rolls:Steven
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hi guys i put a new fan element in a aeg competence B4100-1-w and it is gone again in about 6 or 7 months have any of you had this problum i would like to here your reply on this and what would be the cause. thanks 🙂 fasetester
Re: Neff fan oven elements
Steven wrote:
The other thing i have found on occasions is Cleaning products (if they clean em)? 😳
When a customer goes mad and do a yearly clean usually just before christmas. They spray mr XXX everywhere, but foget to take the liners off or protect the element.
IMO these cleaning products cause premature failure.
You can tell the ones who do use it as when you remove the rear covers there a white slimey streaks all over. :rolls:Steven
I’ve found that some cleaning products cause the screws to seize up.
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