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Re: Rate reduction issues
Sent back my 3rd DSG job today and within minutes I no longer have access to the Repaircaretalk forum. Have had 2 phone calls from Connect since, asking if I could do jobs in Forfar and Brechin for them (neither were DSG calls), said yes, but they haven’t materialised on my system.
So it seems they lied when they said it wasn’t all or nothing.
This is no loss to me as I have more work than I can cope with but I also have nothing to lose by talking out against them now.
Ade, next time you’re on the forum say goodbye to the lads for me 😀
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Seems you’re right Barrie… Baz has vanished from member list & all your posts say ‘Guest’.
Unbelievable!
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Barrie…
I’ve started an ‘In Memorium’ thread in the RC Forum. Passed on your regards and MADE A POINT of saying why you got cut off.
I think this thread (If doesn’t get deleted), will be a popular one, and I’m sure there will be many more behind you… Including me!
Ade 🙁
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So, here’s the thing…
Why do so may frequent the RC forums? I mean, why bother?
There’s no point really, you can’t say what you want and, from what I’ve been told, there’s little in the way of actual help on there. So, I don’t really see the point of it.
Unless of course that someone in CDSL came up with the utterly brilliant idea that they could replicate the community spirit that we have here. Well, good luck with that is all I can say.
As a net veteran of many years dealing with mailing lists, IRC and forum moderation all I’ll say is that, any corporate body that wants to have a crack at running their own social media are more than welcome to have a go. It’ll fail, but they should have a go anyway. Then go off, lick their wounds and try to figure out why it all went titsup.com
This whole thing becomes even worse when they try to control an audience that is intelligent and informed of the subjects under debate. It just turns into a farce. As I think that this has.
The fact of it is, you cannot control people’s opinion through superior firepower, moderation or suppression. It just blows up in your face.
So, I wouldn’t worry, the more people that get hacked off the better and ultimately the largest sign of life you’ll have is the tumbleweed blowing by. I’ve seen it happen on many, many occasions for this and other reasons with IRC, forums, mailing lists and so on. People just move on to where they can voice their opinion and vent their frustration without fear of whatever they say being deleted because it doesn’t fit the plan.
But heh, it’s not my forum, I don’t work for them so I really don’t give a to$$ what they do on their own forums.
But I’d bet that the thread gets zapped based on previous behaviour.
What I will say and, do with it what you will, is that people from DSGi do read this forum regularly. Just watch what you say and if you want something to come out so no-one knows, just let me know as there’s a couple of people I can ask to vent it that can’t be traced.
K.
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I had a member of RC Management phone me this afternoon, he’s coming down tomorrow! Said can I spare him a ‘Few’ Hours, and also asked if I’d be alone at work! Sounds foooooooking odd to me!
When I asked why, he said “To go through my jobs” and “See if there was anything he could do for me”.
^ Tis NOT the usual meeting time, NOR explaination, and I know this person quite well, well enough to know he was in the room with other people as he was quite blunt and was a bit of an odd conversation, as in, he couldn’t say much!!
Me thinks this is prime time to have a ‘Discreet’ pop, so is there anything anyone wants asking as I KNOW we will have a ‘Deep’ conversation!
Ade
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Mind how you go Ade and the best advice I can give is to listen, try not to speak too much. Go from there.
From what you say though it does seem a bit cloak and dagger. But then, if RC are losing agents I’d imagine that they would be trying to hold the network together and try to save any more bad press and ill will.
There’s really not much to know though… they cut the rates, they’ve taken on poor paying contracts, the repairers aren’t happy… and, what, there’s a shock in this?
K.
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I had an interesting phone call from the area manager after Ade’s post on the RC forum. RC had said I resigned when all I had done was tell them I wouldn’t be doing the DSGi or Crosslee calls as they were not paying enough. He told me and I quote “If you are not doing these calls then I have to offer them to another company, however, I cannot just offer them these two contracts, I would have to offer them the viable ones as well”.
So he admits that the DSGi and Crosslee calls are not viable.
Although they are saying openly that it is not all or nothing, it clearly is.
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Tread VERY lightly Ade ,let him do the talking and don’t give him enough rope with which to hang you .
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Do what he said!! ^^^^^ 🙂
Funnily enough Barrie you’re not the only one that has had that speech and picked up on the “viable” comment, I’ve heard that from several sources now.
TBH I can understand that from their perspective in that it is administratively burdensome to break up the work between agents, as I explained to Ade the other day… or was it someone else, can’t recall. But the point is that it is sometimes just what’s required as Joe Bloggs down the road wants it all or nothing, he refuses to take just the cr4p you don’t want, so they are in an impossible situation.
However, by the same token, it is either the repairer’s client or the client’s client that has made that situation exist in the first place. So, whatever way you look at it it’s got booger all to do with the repairers, it’s just them that get the brown stuff over it all.
Perhaps we should add an open conversation on rate reduction to the meeting agenda and see what shakes out but, do it after Bob 2.
K.
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kwatt wrote:
Perhaps we should add an open conversation on rate reduction to the meeting agenda and see what shakes out but, do it after Bob 2.K.
I wondered about facilitating a meeting for all interested parties -repairer wise ,so that views could be aired experiences swapped etc .
but I also thought it may be seen as agitating however the TA is there for its members…Re: Rate reduction issues
Lawrence wrote:
kwatt wrote:
Perhaps we should add an open conversation on rate reduction to the meeting agenda and see what shakes out but, do it after Bob 2.
K.
I wondered about facilitating a meeting for all interested parties -repairer wise ,so that views could be aired experiences swapped etc .
but I also thought it may be seen as agitating however the TA is there for its members…
Will we be wasting our time on this. ❓ ❗Sure lets mention that all members of ukw are very pist off and not happy, to say the least 👿 👿
Still they are not going to u turn their decision what ever we do or say 👿
If we have an open debate it will get into a slanging match.
You will see DP with his pen making notes of the trouble makers 😆We dont want to be seen to be a bunch of whinging gitts. 😳
We are better than that we are proffesionals all we want is a fair rate for the job we do.We can discuss this subject and moan till the cows come home, until everyone sings from the same hymn sheet or get the support from WTA or other trade organisation to fight our corner legitimatly.
We need stand together on this even though its not going to make any differnce.
There is a few of us that will stick together but we will always get walked over from Work providers they dont give a sh8t.Trouble is there will always be someone waiting in the winds to take the work at any cost.
I think this is just the start, if they can drop the rate on this whats stopping them doing it across the board.
They have lined up enough agents across the country to make sure they have coverage, who are probably not UKW or Dasa members.
They have got aleast two more companies in my area alone so if i refuse the jobs they will just pass it on to someone else. Which has already happened this week because of shortage of staff.What i have done is if I get no jobs from them, cut down on the spares ordered from them and use someone else.
mention openly the good offers from Qualtex and Masterpart 😆
I know we are small fry and my couple grand a month not much in the grand scheme of things, but if we all do it, kick them where we know its gona hurt 😉Re: Rate reduction issues
Have you been on the sauce tonight Steven? 😆
What I was thinking was a discussion AFTER BOB, very important.
Bob2 will make repairers think about costings, how it works and what the liabilities are on a contract account.
Then you introduce the RC thing or, for that matter, any rate reduction, not paying for NA calls or whatever… make it mixed and discuss the costs of all this. Then discuss what you can actually provide for what’s on offer and the potential profit/ROI in reality.
Steer it, control the discussion, don’t let it become a slanging match. 😉
Everyone knows it’s not viable but, you have to be able to prove it.
K.
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My apologese was not thinking straight it was late:oops: 😳
Forget what i said i was talking bo{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d}{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d}**ks as usual:!:
Because of all the hype relating to the reduction and Ade wanting his pound of flesh I thought we were going to bring some rope and hang DP from the ceiling 😆 😆
I should have guessed you were going to deal with it more diplomatically. 😉
Steven
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You may not have to…
I’ve been playing with an updated version of the Contract Calculator that is far more in depth and, unless you get your cost to call below £23.82 and/or the first fix above 70{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} you can’t make a profit on a £31 rate, end of chat.
But to get the FF rate up, you have to increase stock. If you increase stock, you increase rolling liability.
What is interesting is the relationship that you get on rolling spares balances and the likes which offers an indication of cashflow as well.
It should be an interesting presentation and chat.
K.
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