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Re: The ‘Reason’ Washing Machine
market research?…..IFI wanted to make a small fortune from a washer, I’d start with a LARGE fortune…..then I’d set up a website with realistic, animated computer images of the proposed machine and gauge the reaction…… 😆
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Well Steve, I’ve been fixing appliances, admining service calls, selling spares and selling appliances for twenty odd years now. On top of that I’ve been involved in all manners of resolving technical issues, specifying machines, consultancy for government among others and I’ve written a fair bit about the things.
It may be conceited somewhat and I may not be the sharpest tool in the box but I like to think I know a little bit about appliances.
So with all that knowledge of the industry and a truckload of it about washing machines I can, hand on heart say that I can see some potential issues with this design. In fact, more than a few issues. I won’t go into detail as, without testing it, I can’t offer any comment other than that, on the face of it, it looks flawed. There’s some good ideas in there, but it’s a bit of a hotch potch IMO and some have been tried before.
I’m also not going to offer the designer a free consultancy or lesson in how the machines are used and abused in the real world.
I do think it’s a good idea to have such a long warranty on the machine but, there appears to be nobody underwriting that risk. That’s a worry for any potential customer as, from what I can glean, there’s no history on the maker and little to no knowledge of who owns or backs this project.
I do sympathise somewhat though as, as I have learned with ISE, whenever you do something that’s a little different people get all jittery. The difference is, ISE use conventional machines differently and not an entirely new design like Titan did.
I’d love to know if anyone makes a bid on one though!
K.
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Aha!….but supposing this is a lottery-winner with delusions that he’s reinvented the wheel 😆
shades of John Delorean here! I went to the (horrible) website and got the impression it was just a “teaser” and there was no physical product,just a computer-rendered proposed design. I’d assume from the info here, that the thing basically has a sump, a method to spray the sump-water over the clothes and some method of tumbling /turning them—-sort of a dishwasher type thing.I don’t see a future for it either…..as I said, to make a small fortune from it, he’ll need to start with a large one…..though I do believe there’s a possibility of a factory at Merthyr being available for handy money 😆
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I thought that too; that there is no real physical product, and the website merely ‘proposes’ how the machine will perform.
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^^^^ healthy debate is one thing, A blatant attempt to hijack free publicity, free hosting and bandwidth and free consultancy, is taking the whizz a bit.
I’ve addressed some issues in a PM to you.
Whilst you may have thought it “clever” to attempt back-door entry onto the public-stage, you made the usual sales and marketing gaffe of assuming that “joe Soap” is as naive and stupid as your peers.
No cigar for you!….and don’t assume that waving the advertising-fee under this site’s owners, will buy you the seal of approval and credibility.
It may have escaped your attention…SO.
They are businessmen. They are professional and long-experienced field-engineers.
they understand the real-life conditions that appliances operate in and manufacturers’ failure to address shortcomings.
They have developed machine-concepts to fit the actual market, investigated and researched factories capable and willing to manufacture these uniquely specified machines.
They’ve produced the cash, commissioned the goods, set up a spares, stores and distribution network…..and appear to have lots of happy customers. (if there were problems or site-censorship,I’m sure the “red-top” gutter-press would have run an expose’ by now!
I’d suggest there’s a huge amount of expertise and public credibility attached to this site. to think you could hitch a free ride is stupid (being gentle there 😈 )
Perhaps you should consider submitting a “real, physical” machine to UK Whitegoods, together with the appropriate financial inducement….I’m sure they would give you a full analysis of this concept….and IF it was ,really, the best machine ever, I’m sure they’d be beating on your door with a distribution-contract. 🙂
Yes, IMHO, you really ARE a “naughty boy”
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cockney steve wrote:Yes, IMHO, you really ARE a “naughty boy”
Blimey, did you once have a career in the Diplomatic Corps or what? “Back door entry on a public stage” “joe Soap naive…..” etc etc…:rolls:
Come on man be reasonable, this site is famous for it’s freedom of speech and so far it appears its correspondents are already building a pillory in the town square. Give the gentleman the benefit…please?
Its reasonable to assume many were somewhat sceptical over the advent of any new ‘concept’ machine such as the Reason washing machine. And with good reason as many are either just too complex, just plain daft or never get off the ground and into the marketplace.
I also wonder what the reasoning was in promoting a machine that doesn’t appear to exist? There must be a good reason I’m sure, so too for having a website and a computer generated image on display?
Maybe the real reason is to get investors into the project to inject funding before production can begin? I’m just as curious as anyone over the outcome and think it not unreasonable in asking NaughtyBoy perhaps to explain a little more about his venture?
That’s my take on it so far anyway…chill out guys. 😀
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Corporal Jones school of Diplomacy “cold steel, they don’t like it up ’em ” 😆
The guy’s griping ‘cos his blatant advertising pitch has been pulled.there’s a lot that COULD have been posted on this technical-biased help site
that wasn’t.yes, i’ve posted rubbish that’s been removed,-i’ve also experienced the benifit of info.freely given when the enquirer was honestly trying to help themselves.
read my post,again, Martin….and Naughty’s.
It walks like a duck ,it quacks like a duck…………..Abuse of the forum to try to use it for free professional R/D and marketing by a commercial undertaking.
Sorry, I think it’s unethical….so do the mods, that’s why they appear to have pulled the “advertorial” unless it’s server-space and bandwidth are paid for.
Then , also , there’s the implied legitimising and endorsement of allowing this manufacturer/marketer under the site’s corporate umbrella.
He may be a good bloke, the machine might concievably be a genuine advance in home laundry, but this isn’t IMHO, the way to bring it to market.Maybe to old and cynical for my own good, but I think I recognise a duck,when I see/hear one.
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Hi Martin & Steve
We think that you would make a loverly couple and need to get together.
What a wonderful relationship you both would have.Bryan
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I am sure that we would all like to see this machine in the flesh so to speak. :rolls:
Jim.
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I would love to see one. Perhaps he should be invited to the February meeting to demonstrate the machine or book a stand at the “trade show”.
Don
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I wonder if it will be on the Gadget show next week?
They are showing the latest in washing machine technology.
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I doubt it Tim, my guess is that it isn’t actually in production yet. That would be the usual Samsung and LG PR departments in full swing at a guess. 😉
The post was removed as all it did was regurgitate the information on the website, to which there is already a link, it offered no new information whatsoever that I could see. All it did was to place another link here and serve as an advert, beyond that it served little to no purpose and it was me that removed it. If there’s an issue with that I’m not exactly hard to track down.
So far as I am aware the machine has not been seen or tested by anyone. I can’t even find reference to a working demonstration, all I can see is a few references to patent application/s in respect to the name and theory.
I do not know where the machine is produced, by whom, where (even a country) or how. I have no performance information whatsoever, only a concept thus far and pictures/video of what could be a mock up or prototype, I’ve no idea as you can’t or don’t see it working.
I’m very well versed in what’s going on in the appliance service industry or at least, I like to think so and I’ve heard nothing about service arrangements, spares, technical or much of anything else. Had I even seen that I may have had an opinion of sorts but, due to a total lack of tangible information I have no opinion beyond the facts I have. Which equate to pretty much zero.
Listing a series of goals or what the machine may have until there’s a lot more information on offer is, IMO, useless so, the post was removed. Asides from which it was copied and pasted which is also a no-no.
No problem with debate at all. No problem with new products and new technologies. But I do take issue with pasting in corporate or marketing BS to a discussion forum unless there is just cause or reason.
K.
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Incidentally, I see that bidding for one starts from 30th January 2009….any offers? 😈
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