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A blog we found showing the Reason Washing Machine on ITV local news.
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For goodness sake, stop spamming the forum with stuff like that.
Show us the bloody machine, if its that good what on earth have you got to hide. :rolls:
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It seems that is the company’s own blog, and the tv article linked to is from 27 March 2009, so somewhat out of date…
Until a real working device is tested by independent third parties no one can really say anything about the machine. To me, a layman, it seems like a toploader that loads from the front but with inevitable problems likely to arise over time because of the drawer load system.
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Exactly jaunty.
Has anyone seen the results of these so called auctions and the sort of money people may (if more than one exists that is) be paying? :hmm:
quickwash :plug:
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italianwasher wrote:A blog we found
There’s something not quite right about that sentence in that if you were in any way involved in this ‘project’ you would be all too aware of it’s existence well over a month ago (when the blog went out – 14/10/10)…wouldn’t you? 😕
Now, looking at that video I have made a couple of observations as to the authenticity of the very existence of the Reason Washing Machine.
Firstly, at precisely 51 seconds into the video it zooms in on the stainless steel drum with Andrew Reason busily stuffing clothes into it. There is no way in this world that drum would seal the clothes safely into position with the drawer shut, no way! And again at 1′ 51″ it shows a machine tumbling away under a table with nothing covering the huge void in the drum.
Secondly, the ‘factory’ shows many such small tables randomly placed around and one with the plastic base (presumably the stabilising waste water container?) of one and it’s plastic pulley support and drive wheel.(Plastic?)
Finally, the Welsh TV presenters suggest that the first 200 machines have “today the first 200 went on sale by an on-line auction and they have already sold out“……Now this “auction” was due to start back in February 2009 and shortly after the Reason Company went bust. 😕
Forgive my scepticism but I’m thinking this new found resurgence as a likely contender for being yet another big scam…..!!! 👿
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Yes martin, that ‘blog bit’ even registered with me as rather strange wording for someone who was saying ‘we’ in an earlier post 😕
quickwash :plug:
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PS – I also think the 20{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} deposit that needs to be paid by ‘buyers’ at the end of the ‘auction’ goes into that giant ‘drawer opening piggy bank’ 😉 Looks like it could hold a lot of pennies 😉
PPS – I just found the link that martin put on here saying the ‘machine’ had bids of £2000 :hmm:
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Hello everyone.
Let me tell you what I know about the Reason Washing Machine.Firstly it appeared in 2009 and it is still not available to the public!
You can get one late 2014 for £779 or last week of Jan 2015 for £599 the website states.
The website clearly states that production machines will have a plastic drum and not the stainless steel shown in the pre production models in the videos.I contacted Andrew Reason and asked if i could buy one with a stainless steel drum and not plastic. To which i received a reply saying that he never said the drums would be plastic! I copied the piece on the website stating the opposite to him and have yet to receive a reply !!!
I asked a simple question and have been ignored, and this is prior to purchase. I would urge noone to part with any money at all untill the machine sees the light of day in a finished/finalised state and reliability is proven including customer service.Re: The ‘Reason’ Washing Machine
You know, I looked at this again when the whole Kickstarter thing went live a short time ago and I was very skeptical and, truth be told, I still am about this machine. I just can’t get away from the notion that it’s a carbon copy of a Dyson-esque type of thing.
That said, you have to hand it to the guy, he’s fought hard to get this into production.
I don’t buy the “no motor” reason for the collapse that last time and I don’t know what’s gone off in the interim but there are a couple of fairly sensible design choices there.
Looking at it however I have to say that, for the money given the pretty bespoke design and some of the things there, I cannot for the life of me wrap my head around how you can produce a machine that unique with specialised components at that price, with that level of warranty at that sort of money.
Think on it this way, after you take the VAT off the £600 you’re left with only £480. Then the margin. Service and warranty costs. The shipping. Even selling directly only that’s going to leave you with a sub-£300 build cost at best. To build a quality washing machine, that ain’t a lot and may well explain why the use of stainless steel might be curtailed.
But it also begs the question, why bother selling at the same sort of price as your bog standard LG’s and so on? It is unique though, you have to give it that.
I think it’s great in many ways.
It’s a small plucky British company trying to do something different from all the rest and I like that.
I’m not so sure it will succeed in a market where there is a race to the bottom by both buyers and sellers but you still can’t help but admire the effort.
I don’t know what the service arrangements are either, I don’t even know if the repairers have an opinion on it as yet although I’ve never asked.
I’ve also never spoke to Andrew Reason but I have seen some stuff online he’s written and where he’s talking and I get the impression that he does care about what he’s doing quite passionately so I’m a bit surprised he hasn’t responded to you. Maybe he will in time.
As to reliability of the Reason machine, who knows. Until it’s in the field and proven it’s difficult to call that one for any new platform let alone a completely new design as you can never see all that might happen once users get their hands on product as they have a tendency to find all manners of new and interesting ways to break things. And, that is even before you consider the things that might break you didn’t see coming.
I hope it works out for Reason and that they carve their own little niche but in today’s climate, they have a long hard struggle in front of them even after rolling the first machine out the door.
K.
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Thank you for your reply Kwatt.
I too would love to see this machine succeed and the bonus of being built well and built in the UK with employment for dozens locally.I too can see there is not enough profit in it at the reduced £599.
The valuation of a £1200 shop floor retail price would be high end. However i am of the opinion that this machine needs to be out quickly or it will miss out entirely. A new range of machines is being developed that do not reqire any detergent at all!Re: The ‘Reason’ Washing Machine
ishine7909 wrote:A new range of machines is being developed that do not reqire any detergent at all!
That’s been “in development” since the eighties.
One day it might happen but, I wouldn’t hold too much hope as yet.
K.
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The Kickstarter funding easily achieved the required target of 40k. A paltry sum when you consider the enormous R & D costs when developing such a revolutionary product. The field trials of those that purchased the first batch for delivery next month will be interesting.
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Let me tell you what would be really interesting to know is how in hell has he been able to pay the bloody bills these last five years having gone bust at least once and no product to market.
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After a week, waiting for Andrew Reason to answer one simple question,
i can tell you i have heard nothing!!!! From my experience this machine will probably fail for a number of reasons!
His machine offers little now five years on, that cannot be found on other high end machines.Auto dosing, weighing load, using only the correct amount of detergent and water, all done and nothing new!
The ballast of 28 ltrs is a good idea, but there is more than 1 centre of gravity in the machine.Does the 2nd bearing at the front remove all vibration? NO IT DOES NOT. My 6350 has a concrete yoke and is stable, infact more stable than brand new machines that bang about when starting to spin. Also you cannot put anything in front of his machine!
Just picked up a top miele commercial with enough spares to probably make if last 3 decades.
My lavamat 6350 is 20 yrs old(1 spider,2 bearings and seals,on 2nd motor,4 bushes, 2nd drain pump just now & 2nd heating element). It is working superbly eg; 40 deg full load 62 litres, 0.5KW and 60mins, not bad for a 20 yr old.
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