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Re: swan fridge freezer
Probably a Daewoo one but there’s no info on them to be found anywhere on planet Earth far as I can tell.
K.
Re: Whitegood Fires to be debated on Jeremy Vine
Nope. Complete silence. No official explanation or reason.
K.
Re: Daewoo American Fridge Freezer Ice makre not working
Yeah, I’m afraid that the ice maker units for those are all obsolete now so I doubt you’ll be able to get that fixed.
K.
Re: Faber Cooker Hood – Gemma PBX A60
Probably the switch has had it and, it’s currently unavailable and looks to be obsolete, the part number was 133.0078.908 so far as I can tell.
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Re: Whitegood Fires to be debated on Jeremy Vine
Absolutely correct, I’d wager incorrect use and installation posed far more danger than any design defects.
There is also politicisation of the topic for sure but, I am trying to stay clear of that.
But here’s why I don’t get some of the service guys stance on these sorts of things…
You guys work out problems for a living, you sit down, look at the issue, listen to the report from the customer, test, test more, change stuff as needed, retest, make safe.
It’s a clear and logical methodology in what you do, all based in fact, evidence in front of you and experience.
All I’m doing is applying that exact same criteria, more or less, to this topic.
I get that some people may well not agree with that, I can’t understand why though as working out problems is what you do for a living and when faced with overwhelming evidence of a problem or not to simply brush all the evidence aside to fit with opinion.
And to that end, if anyone can provide hard evidence I’m wrong then I’m more than happy to look at it and, if I’m wrong, I’m wrong. I’ll happily hold my hands up to it if I am, no problem as in that case, the evidence changes and therefore opinion or outcome must also alter if there’s new evidence. Be that my opinion or not.
To date though numerous journalists and several organisations have failed to find flaw in what I’ve set out here and, also to date, no evidence to say that the facts are any different have come to light.
I can also tell you that, despite advising some members of the press of all this and them having the cold hard facts, the story that was presented was will we say, not quite what the evidence said it was.
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Re: Whitegood Fires to be debated on Jeremy Vine
Mattresses just ignite all on their lonesome! I’ve never hear of a single case of “spontaneous mattress combustion”, I really don’t think that’s a thing you know.
Smoking, candles… basically stupidity, careless and wreckless behaviour more like.
And what’s that about the stats Martin, you like them when they are in your favour but want to ditch them when it doesn’t suit your argument which, is to say that, the statistics you know, the cold hard facts of it, do not support the premise of your contention that appliance fires are increasing.
They are not.
They are safer than ever if you look at the numbers.
But heh, we don’t want little things like facts to get in the way of a good story or a rant now do we, I mean where would he world be if you actually got told the truth eh?
Fridge foam flammable, yes it is it’ll burn about the same as the bloody kitchen units all around it.
Manufacturers and, I know for a fact Beko does on all cabinets now, use flame retardant poly backing. So that’s no longer an issue.
But again go back to, treat the cause, not the consequences wherever possible. You’re banging on about stuff that, in the end, is irrelevant really as if there wasn’t a fire that got hot enough to set the things alight then the problem wouldn’t exist, this conversation irrelevant also.
If you want to prevent any possibility of a fire in any kitchen or home, install a sprinkler system and even then, it won’t stop it it’ll merely limit the damage. And destroy all electrical equipment while doing so.
That includes, toasters, chip pans, irons oh you know, all the usual “burn the house down” stuff.
Make it mandatory that people have insurance, many of the “woe is me” stories in the media is as they muppets didn’t have insurance so, wrecked home, no kitchen, no insurance. Makes for a better story in the daily rags, “Family Homeless After Fridge Fire” etc, etc…. let’s break out the pitchforks and torches and chase a big bad company. Evidence, who needs that for a good old lynching?
And please, please look at the FACTS not the media sh1t they shovel out.
Because believe me when I say, you go into a court of law and face a judge with the evidence I’ve seen in the media thus far, you’d probably get locked up just for being stupid enough to go into court based on that.
Do your own research as many journalists seemingly do hardly any at all. Even some pretty respected sources have pumped out complete crud on this topic.
Grenfell that you specifically refer to may very well not have been caused by the appliance and, I’ve been watching that one like a hawk, it’s all too possible it was caused by the electrical supply and, possibly multiple points of failure. So, to start on about that is just a tad premature with no evidence one way or the other, I expected better of you on that score Martin.
And it is utterly despicable the way that tragedy is being used as a ping pong ball to further the likes of this ludicrous notion that appliances are dangerous when there’s not a scrap of evidence yet to support that notion.
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Re: Whitegood Fires to be debated on Jeremy Vine
Martin,
I choose not to support the LFB’s position on this as it’s a crock.
The stats and facts do not bear out the argument whatsoever, nor do they support your flight of fancy that appliance fires have increased as, they have not.
There is not a scrap of evidence to support that I can find.
If anything there’s evidence to show that they are decreasing, not increasing.
So if you want to believe the line of manure fed to you by the Daily Mail or whatever, so be it but don’t spout stuff at me that is factually incorrect and that you have zero evidence of as I have researched this in depth and actually do have a clue.
It’d be worse for UKW if we published false or misleading information and thats’ something that I will not allow to happen if at all possible. Perhaps my standards are just higher than the tabloids eh?
Sorry, you got me going. 😉
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Re: Whitegood Fires to be debated on Jeremy Vine
FYI, I worked out the rough stats on risk level in percentage here….
http://www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/appliance … ires-a-day
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Re: Whitegood Fires to be debated on Jeremy Vine
Nope.
Metal back on a fridge is pointless really.
I go back to, what caused it to light up? That’s a far more pressing issue than how it burns in the very, every rare occasions it’d even matter.
If you look at fire data and, I have, the instances of appliances being an issue are low in the grand scheme.
Now, look at what’s being reported, not just the tabloid crap you see and general scaremongering from some quarters. What you see is “incidents”, what you don’t see is details around that.
So you don’t know (nor do I or anyone else) if it was a fire, how severe it was, if it was just a door seal rubbing, what make it was, what the actual cause was, where it was, how it was installed….
Need I go on or do you get the point? 😉
And once you get fires or anything really down to a level that’s not really an issue as such (not trivialising it just stating the obvious) what do all those people that are employed to ensure our safety to do then?
They need to find something to do or, they’re out of a job and I’m guessing it’s a pretty cushy number.
So, they need to produce results to be seen to be effective and worth paying for. Therefore what do you think they’re going to go after? The stuff that’s easy and they can make a media meal out of or, the stuff that’s hard to do and nobody really cares about anyway?
And these people, soon as they get a whiff of something that will justify their existence and pay, will be on it like a band of limpets.
Then you get the “facts” and “statistics” being trotted out, usually misrepresented and/or out of context.
Hence, we have a media hoopla as the above includes journalists looking for a good story, even if it’s complete horse manure.
It then gets to the people with a bit of sense in the civil service who see it for what it is as well as how much solving the non-problem will cost and it’s all bound for the long grass where it probably belongs.
K.
Re: Whitegood Fires to be debated on Jeremy Vine
I listened to it yesterday more or less live and, apart from the usual media glorification it was interesting that the LFB are trying “not to scare people” and yet at the same time calling for action from government.
Hmm.
Methinks that the LFB are bored or perhaps seeking attention. I say that as, in the grand scheme of things, the incident of fires that are a direct result of an appliance failure and not caused through use and/or mis-installation are incredibly low.
If you look at the likes of dodgy wall wart adaptors/chargers and God only knows what else is sold from Amazon and Ebay with no QA at all, you kinda have to wonder what the biggest danger is. Even what the higher instance of fires will lie with in volume terms.
But to go after big static brand names, that’s easy ain’t it? Sure is a lot easier than trying to police Ebay, Amazon, Gumtree and so on.
But to do it the way that is oft mooted you’d need a “DVLA” type system in place to monitor and record ownership changes and all that sort of thing and, that I’m afraid is hugely difficult to do and would cost boatloads of cash.
Government doesn’t have the cash. Manufacturers don’t and, even if they did they wouldn’t spend it on this. Leaving poor old Joe Punter the taxpayer and consumer to pick up the tab given the existence of the Magic Money Tree has been disproven.
Then there’s this whole thing about flammable backs on fridges that’s really annoying me so, pardon the turn of phrase but, it’s complete ballcocks.
If the bloomin’ thing is going to catch something else is already on fire, what the hell does it matter at that point?
That is, to me, like saying all garden huts should be metal as if a fire starts wooden ones burn easier, it’s just completely bloody stupid. Pointless.
Address the cause, not the consequences.
If I were in the manufacturers shoes I know how I’d defend against this and it’d be a close runner to saying, go forth and…
K.
Re: Samsung RL39THCSW Help! compressor not starting
It sounds like the compressor is seized, hence the noises you’re hearing, it’s trying to start up then chucking it, cutting out on the safety device exactly as it should do.
K.
