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Re: Penguin got his…
Thanks Jason. It’s not just leadership though, the person has to actually do stuff, unlike the previous muppet. That’s the biggest problem that DASA has immediately though, we’re all too busy with other things and the things that need doing just aren’t being done as it’s not a priority to any of us, keeping the wolf from the door is.
P, there are 350ish trade members on the site now. Many more have asked for access but cannot or have not provided any support for the claim of being trade and some that I have dealt with are just idiots trying to cause trouble.
What you have to remember is that many of the members are business principals and actually represent many more people at the back of them. There is little more that can be done to promote UKW without moving into a different arena, which will come in time, but now is not the time for it.
There are a lot of dinosaurs in this trade, some of them actually run a business with no IT at all and still rely on paper being whisked around the country and we have some that are seemingly incapable of using the internet at all.
K.
Syphon blocked Lawrence? But I’m guessing you’ve checked that.
The other thing we used to get up here was water pressure problems. In areas of high pressure the soap drawer couldn’t cope and overflowed on taking softener so I cut an approx 2-3mm deep, 15mm long section out the softener divider to the soap compartment to allow the excess to overflow through that.
Must have worked, never got a recall. 😉
K.
Re: New oven
This is a subject that I really must get to grips with and write up.
To let you understand I love to cook, it’s a hobby that I enjoy aside from the site and I find it to be very theraputic, yeah I know, but each to their own as they say. 😕
When it comes to ovens it depends very much on what you want to achieve from it and then consider the use of it. Do you want to cook with it primarily or reheat with it?
Even when it comes to fan ovens there’s true fan ovens, forced air ovens and then there’s fan assisted ovens which whilst they sound the same have subtle differences in performance in my experience.
The most solid advice I can offer is go for the best you can afford and try to aim for a multi-function oven which should offer several cooking options as opposed to only one or two with a standard oven despite the amount of symbols on the dial. Trust me, if you want to cook to any degree you’ll want the option to use forced air or standard convection at the mere flick of a switch.
Also look for a cooling fan fitted (most multi-function ovens will have this) and triple or quadruple door glazing as that will make the machine more “kid friendly “as well.
I promise, I will write up the oven article soon.
K.
Re: rumours
Richard, Phil who supplied the first post after Kevin’s actually is a council member as is Oldtog.
The problem with DASA is that it is a very emotive subject for those involved and they defend it virulently whenever it is challenged or criticised irrespective of how minor it may be. Some have even really taken the hump over UKW and refuse to even look at it, so be it, no skin off my nose. But that does set the scene well as some seem to see UKW as being a threat, which is ridiculous really but there seems to be no telling some people.
My gripes aside…
You are quite correct in the lack of knowledge regarding DASA that is out there. I had asked the now ex-director to wite up an article on DASA, it’s history, it’s aims, it’s outlook and explain what the organisation was all about. Needless to say he never did it. It is one thing I would still like to see done but with all that’s going on within DASA right now I don’t know that now is the time to broach the subject.
But I do and, I’m sure others shall, appreciate your frank comments so I thank you for that.
K.
Exactly P and that’s kinda just what I did as well to try to balance the books and put something a bit positive into it all. But I don’t expect there’ll be a lot of feedback from it all the same. 😕
Sean there’s no way you’d get kicked for having an opinion. As I have said time and again, whether I agree or not is entirely irrelevant, I can argue my case very well as can anyone else here if they can be arsed to do it.
I think as P does that the thread will simply fade away and serve as another lesson learnt, let’s just not make the same mistakes twice eh?
K.
Re: rumours
Kev, play nice, OT was gracious enough to apologise for the outburst.
DASA is trying to re-organise itself at the moment and that will inevitably lead to a period of upheaval which it now finds itself in the throws of. This was apparently only one idea that has been banded about within the DASA ranks as a step in the right direction. Whether anything comes of it or not remains to be seen, but I can see that there is some cause for concern as well as celebration in the events under discussion. Until it all pans out or not as the case may be, there’s little more need be said on the matter for the moment.
However, with the re-shaping of DASA and the fact that the association is trying to move forward there is also the chance to help shape the future of the orginisation and, if you choose, you are more than welcome to suggest what you would like to see the association doing for you.
I, personally, would also love to hear what would make you think that DASA is worth joining for and paying the subs for.
It’s an open book, post what you think as most of the council will read this as well as many of the officers so the ideas will get back.
K.
Re: Oi, stop it!
Sean, it’s got nothing at all to do with democracy, deleting that thread now would simply be a case of locking the door after the horse has bolted and it would in fact do more harm than good from a DASA perspective.
It’s in the open and that’ll be that regardless of the thread being deleted or not.
However, I cannot stress enough that Phil and Dave (P) should have just let sleeping dogs lie and the thing would’ve died on its own. Without the input it was far too cryptic to mean much of anything. By commenting all that’s happened is a non-story has been turned into headline news, on that Kevin is totally correct.
Then you have the newly appointed press officer for DASA launching a full on personal attack on a non-member, good image portrayal if ever I saw it…NOT! A good start in the newly created role, I think not. It’s all very well running to DASA’s defence but for fuck’s sake do it properly and proffessionally, not in a slap-dash haphazard way as has been displayed thus far.
So it will, as usual, be left to me no doubt to put a positive spin on events and turn it around as well as buy DASA some breathing space as no other fucker seems willing or able to do it or to play out the politics involved.
I’ll do it later, CBA with it all right now, too childish.
K.
That’ll teach me to answer a post off the cuff without reading it fully. 😳
Shane is correct if you don’t have tomatos like cannonballs.
K.
Re: Penguin got his…
DASA should have been doing a lot of things Kevin, a long time ago and it has not done so. It didn’t even keep pace with the times, we no see the results of that neglect.
I actually feel very sorry for Jason, Mark and Phil (D) in particular as they have been left this legacy and are probably at a bit of a loss as to what to do in some areas, hamstrung in others by the way that the association has to be run.
Formulating a business plan is fine, but you have to have a business in order to proceed down that path and, from what I can gather, the membership is still dropping somewhat alarmingly despite the increased communications and plans afoot. This to me can only mean one thing in essence, nobody is interested in or sees any value in DASA.
As it stands on analysis, DASA only offers a badge and the the opportunity to attnd the various meetings that are held, beyond that there’s little, if anything, on offer. Yet for that you are expected to meet the COP, sit it out during a probationary period, freely give up time and expense attending said meetings and pay for the privilege as well!
Does anyone else here see the problem in that approach?
What DASA needs is something to offer, it used to be that manufacturers used the DASA list to find agents but that is beoming increasingly redundant, even more so as the membership drops still further. It used to be that DASA was seen as a sort of badge of quality within the industry and yet nobody really bothers now. Manufacturers are little interested in it other than paying lip-service in so far as I can see.
Re-organising the COP and the constitution will go some way to helping and it is a start, but it is only a start.
If I were CEO of DASA plc….
I’d have a clearly set out set of aims spelling out what the association was all about and what its intentions were.
I’d have clear structure internally on who did what allowing people that specialise in each area to deal with those issues.
I’d have the chain of command clearly sorted.
I’d be putting deals in place on behalf of the members that pay for the service and be trying to offer them back some value for the subscription.
I’d be vocal on the issues that the trade care about and most of all communicate that fact back to the trade allowing them to see the association was working for them on their behalf.
Occasionally I’d be throwing out a little bit to the general trade through mail outs or press releases and the likes to try to encourage new sigin-ups into the fold.
There, there’s a few positive ideas for you as well.
K.
Re: Oi, stop it!
Can’t delete it Martin, goes against against every fibre of my being to do so, whether I agree or not.
I would have said the best thing that could have happened to that thread is to just ignore it and let it die, obviously others took the hump over it which has only served to lend it credence. However, what’s done is done and there’s no use crying about it now.
It could easily be turned into something positive, as most things can be or it can be dropped. I’d suggest the latter.
Again, the DASA II thread has gotten way out of hand and, IMO, actually makes DASA look bad again and, again, the best thing that could have been said there was fuck all!
The subject of DASA is always an emotive one and even when it’s faint praise or constructive critisism that is offered all we get is the same old crap all over again, “join up and find out” or “attend a meeting and see what its all about”, DASA should have adopted that as its tagline a few years back. It’s utter shite, tells people sweet fuck all and if anything puts them off the idea of DASA. Plus it only serves to perpertrate the myth that DASA is some sort of litttle club like the Masons, crap, utter crap.
Then you have rumours circulating about what DASA is up to and BINGO!
I have posted some stuff on the DASA forums to try to provoke some thought in what I think should be done to revive the organisation, whether it is taken up or not remains to be seen.
I’m on a cleft stick here as I run UKW and it would appear that a lot of the DASA people see that as a threat to them, plus I’ve got a big gob, I’m opinionated and not afraid to voice those opinions. I have over the past while shut up on the subject of DASA and I’m keeping a low profile there until it gets sorted or not as the case may be as unless it becomes what it always should have evolved into it is of little or no consequence to me either way.
What I will say, since all the leading lights in DASA that have any common sense will doutless read this, is that if you truly want it to become a regulatory body as the industry will surely go that way eventually, the foundations for that have to be laid NOW! Not in a few years time, but right now and the voice of DASA has to be heard now as well, if it is not our industry will be ruled as an appendix to CORGI, the HSE and the NICEIC for sure. AMDEA doesn’t give a flying fuck about DASA really as they know just as well as I do that the greedy twats out there will always take the work and there will always be some arsehole prepared to work for next to nothing. The only reason they’re concerned is that they have a severe labour shortage and see us as the stop-gap answer to that, they’ll use us, abuse us and drop us in the shit again unless it’s done right.
Don’t believe me? Just look at how many insist the job is done right.. yep, that’s right, not a one! Proof conclusive if ever I saw it that they don’t give a fuck, they’re only interested in the commercial principles of getting the job done. People like Martin or P45, they don’t give a fuck about, they’ve made that patently obvious over the past few years. Customers, they don’t care so long as they’re buying the shit they pump out. And that’s what this is all about, money and the value of it, the sooner that’s realised the better in some camps, morals and standards don’t mean Jack Shit in the manufacturer’s book.
Mark my words, you have been warned.
K.
Re: rumours
Oldtog, the one thing that we avoid on here is personal attacks and you’ve gone at it pretty hard there on Kevin over what amounts to a glib comment that was made. Ordinarily I’d go spare at such an attack, but given the position I’m in with DASA and UKW I’m between a rock and a hard place with this one, so I will not edit or remove the comments. Primarily this is because Kevin has graciously accepted the critisism and I’ve not spoken to him about it but I do think it was answered well and this will not continue.
However in future, any personal slagging, please take it private if you don’t mind. It’s unacceptable on the DASA forums and it’s unacceptable here.
Should you chose to debate the issues raised then that’s fine, there’s no issue with that at all, but simply to cast aspersion on Kevin’s character is not, IMO, a very nice thing to do in response to what is after all, clearly billed as a rumour and was posted as only one of several.
Thanks
K.
So in effect Whirlpool then charge you in advance for you saving them money? 😕
That’ bright… NOT!
Of course anyone in that situation is going to abuse the system, it stands to reason that they would. Just goes to show you what high regard that Whirlpool have for their so-called Service Partners, I think the work “partners” is a bit of stretch in that case then as I had previously thought.
I just cannot understand why such a manufacturer, supposedly staffed and run by bright people that know their jobs, back the agents into a situation where they are forced into telling lies and using devious means just to stay afloat. Meanwhile you have certain area managers et all running about trying to put a stop to a situation of their own making, it’s insane, counter-productive and does not present a very good image for the company at all.
Perhaps an explanation for some of these little golden goodies should be asked for at the DASA meeting in January that I am informed Whirlpool is attending.
K.
Weird Tim, we’ve had no issues for months and nothing’s been changed that could affect this.
What I have seen is Norton blocking parts of the site 🙄 and of course the old ISP issue that first occurred with AOL but seems to affect some others as well. Yet you have managed to post from the same IP in the past, I looked it up.
Have you installed anything that could have affected the internet at all on your PC?
K.
It’s the posts like these that make all this worthwhile doing and the very reason that these very generous souls help people.
I would also like to point out that all revenue from Amazon does go back to the trade and the people that help on the site and may well buy them a pint at the next UK Whitegoods meeting.
K.
Re: VANILLA
Sorry John, I meant to get back to you on this earlier and kinda forgot. The promise of vodka and a kebab got more attention I’m afraid. 😉
Anyway, Dave and I discussed this earlier and neither of us have ever come across the brand. Since it was sold from Tempo you’re chances are slim at best as you well know, as for the waranty, well we all lose sometimes. 😕
I would say that it’s going to be nigh on impossible to get spares, the internet even drew a blank as Dave searched for any reference to it as did I.
K.
