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Re: True or false?
I’d like to comment, but it would include the words education and qualification.
So leave it alone.
Re: Masterpart….or Amazon?
I’ll just provide confidential company information for you as proof.
Really.
Now why didn’t l think of that.
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Ken l fully get that logic.
That’s today’s way, the bit you may be ignoring is that when the big boys get there act together and a change happens independent’s may well need to get qualified.
It is coming and it is in the “system”.
Knowhow is part of DSG ambitious plans, having the UK’s best service provider is one of them.
They just need to move some goal posts.
Sometimes to prove a point you have to make a point or rather to move legislation you have to provide a need.
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Your under the impression my calling for qualifications would cure all those points.
I never stated that.
I stated it under values us and the job we do. It allows for poor recruitment and poor rates of pay. It allows the market place to be flooded with poor quality repairs.
Qualifications and registration works elsewhere. There are successful models. Forget Gas Safe, that’s not my desire.
I don’t believe poor quality appliances are going to continue in the UK. There will be a market obviously, but from what I’m hearing there will be a change and that change will require better educated and trained people to service those products.
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kwatt wrote:
Nope. You or anyone else can have a pop at me as much as you like. I really don’t much care.
Same for me. So therefore not much point continuing with them.
I’m still a bit confused over what it is you actually want, to do something constructive that would actually have an effect, just bitch and whine for the sake of it or do something pointless, perhaps just to massage your own ego.
I have no interest in or had any. This is a forum, l expressed an opinion, you state I’m wrong, ill-informed etc etc blah blah. I simply state I’m right. I work with people though and share opinions. There better placed than me to make any change.
As I have (I think) clearly outlined, any mandatory qualification or governing body would in all probability have exactly the opposite effect that you seem to think it will. What you think are root causes, appear to me a symptoms, not the disease and as we all know, treating the symptoms and not the disease is largely both pointless and fruitless.
That’s your opinion, does not make it correct though, for all your previous foot stamping and foul language.
I don’t believe it’s the sole cause but a by product of the industries reluctantance to promote us as professionals.
Afterall clients used to expect a suitable qualified person to work on their products. It states it on the product as a warning and it’s clearly mentioned with the manufacturer information and the Safety at work law also requires a level of competence.
We complain on here of manufacturers poor product quality, especially when it catches fire. Yet in the case of Beko’s modification, certain companies who employ people I’ve mentioned previously and here below used them to carry out the solution.
I firmly believe that’s dangerous and illegal.
Most profession’s have some form of qualification. That allows employers etc to have some base level on which to measure candidates. It can weed out a proportion of the less capable. On courses you get people moaning they don’t need ohms law, why do we need to understand even the basic science of Electrical principles etc etc. Basically they moan because they haven’t a clue what is happening. They rely on repetitive working. The as you’ve complained, phone a friend or order parts. There perfectly capable of diagnostic hopefully repetitively method.
But heh, if you want to waste your time and effort, go for it. Or not, if you wish to continue to lurk in the shadows.
I don’t need too. Your industry may well change. How will Amazon for example know who the decent Engineers are, who knows. I’m perfectly happy doin what I’m doing and simply expressing a shared opinion of here.
I notice you resorted to the last snide comment and abjectly failed to provide any support for your own arguments so quite what you want myself or anyone else to do is beyond me. I’m afraid my Harry Potter wand is busted so I can’t just put everything to rights.
Since we are not in Hollywood or a court of law and the discussion is basically ones opposition to another’s opinion there is no need for evidence.
All I can do is, what I can do, if that’s not good enough for you, too bad. But at the very worst, I at least tried to do something.
What have you done to help the the repairers or the industry?
K.
Well l can answer that simply.
I haven’t done anything to damage it.
It’s that simple.
I don’t give advice to the general public on how to carry out the repairs l do. I actually believe what l do is not easy and requires a skill level.
If everybody did that, l believe people wouldnt be writing about dropping workloads.
I don’t do videos.
I don’t sell parts.
Not a pop solely at you Ken. But yes, in my opinion giving repair advice to the general public to aide selling components has a detrimental effect on our industry as repairers.
When you combine the fact that us repairers don’t have a qualification in what we do adds further claim to this. It gives the impression that what we do is not difficult and furthers the opinion of why pay a decent call out and labour charge. It fuels the thought that dumb mind of Joe public that maybe l can do it.
Not an overnight drop in work.
But still adds one more nail to the coffin.
You once argued with me that doing calls for £35 was unworkable and would cause my business to fail, that the £50 you paid was more feasible. I still stand by that and l still earn that.
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Andy jones wrote:
I’m curious as to why you come on here, is it just to wind people up? If so fine whatever floats your boatI’m in the industry, why would l not.
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kwatt wrote:I will read that as your teddies have been ejected. 😆
K.
No having a poke back at you is not throwing teddies Ken.
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Yeah attack the poster. That’ll resolve your industry.
Maybe there is money in allowing DIYers to get advice from experts on a forum.
Re: Masterpart….or Amazon?
So why are Amazon selling parts. If there is no demand from a few DIYers watching YouTube.
And I’m the one talking tosh.
Oh wait the industry cannot compete with Amazon.
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I’m not questioning any individuals ability on this site. I’m in favour of promoting professionals within our industry.
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Andy jones wrote:Look anyone could drive a taxi. Try telling that to London cabbies that have done the knowledge.
Bad example. Anybody can, call them Uber. They use GPS.
Expertise isn’t just fitting parts but knowing how to repair it safely and leave it in good state of repair. How many customer have an insulation tester to make sure it’s electrically sound after they have done it.
Don’t disagree. But to be an “Expert” needs to be proven as opposed to spoken word.
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simonb wrote:
… as my trainer once said “its all easy when you know”…
Certainly is.
i’m currently training my son(hes not sure on his career path so i want him to have a fall back) he has 6gcse’s and a diploma(mostly unrelated building services with some electrical) he’s very keen to learn and one thing that stood out from my first shot at training someone is how difficult this job is to learn!…
And when your done I’m sure he will be greatly skilled, probably ahead of many.
But how do you translate those skills to either a future employer or work provider.
take the grill element… watched him on first attempt get all wires wrong way around on fitting, the connection were slack and he attempted to tighten and could not get them on as too tight etc etc.. it brought the high initial learning curve all back to me, ….so it got me thinking about people who order from ebay they must be pretty confident diy type people who are going to read up on the task in hand first with correct id of the parts etc… [quote:1amupwl8]
Don’t take this wrong but many DIYers will have greater skills than your son. Some will struggle, not all DIYers are aware of their limitations. Take a car mechanic of 10 yrs, would he have got the wires wrong. I doubt it, but who knows. I’m willing to bet that peeps selling parts with issues is far less than those without.
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this job is defiantly a skilled trade! multi branded with all kitchen appliances, you must be joking its an easy job!, take removing an integrated dishwasher and striping it down finding the fault then repair then re-install …. i had a general surgeon comment on how he was curious about how one learns the skill as it seemed daunting, he could not diagnose a pcb fault… and who would expect him to be able to?Never said it was easy. Knowing all the products. But your clients don’t need to know all the products . Google is there friend.
It’s a skilled job. Just not paid as one, no qualification required. And frankly a percentage of idiots within it. I’m sure your General surgeon was not born knowing his profession, l bet he was educated, trained and found qualified. lf only we had the same level of pride.
Re: Masterpart….or Amazon?
Andy jones wrote:Sorry lee8 your talking b******s
I’d like to think that we make it look easy because a lot of us have done this for such a long time it comes second nature.
How many times has a customer called to say they’ve bought the part but can’t fit it or have got the wrong one altogether.We make it look easy. Honestly.
Hey one persons opinion is just that.
How many customers didn’t. 😉
I’d suggest the majority of people have little issue. I don’t sell parts, but I’m kinda thinking if every customer had “issues” why bother selling them. But wait for that few here is an idea. Let’s make videos.
