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Re: Hoover hnwl7146-80
Hi there is no motorized selector switch on this machine. What there is is HVR9201332 a rotary selector switch. Have thought it might be that but the m/swt part of it seems ok, the 2 red wires that plug in to it also….well i`m not sure what they do to be honest.
Tried woggling wires, if you remove the main wires that plug in to this switch then there is no power to light up the inst panel pcb…so it would seem that the rotary selector is doing something at least. But……!!!
Any ideas please??Re: Hoover hnwl7146-80
Hi Martin. yes that was what I thought. However I counted up to 30 flashes and then decided it was not a fault code! And just to be sure I left and watched the red square light for 2 minutes- it just flashes awaiting instructions. i.e. it was not a f/code.
Re: List of washers with sealed/welded tubs
Thinking about this sealed tank business but from a different angle of dangle. Lets say the bacteria inside a modern washing machine is dangerous (it is by the way as it put me in hospital for 1.5 weeks), the manufacturers know this but are of course not going to publicize it and are wary of the issues regarding this and their repair and so they now produce throw away tank units, problem solved, production costs reduced and problem solved too.
I`m not a microbiologist, otherwise I wouldn`t be pi**ing around on my knees all day under washing machines for very little, but it would be really interesting, for one who has had first hand experience, as to what bacteria we are dealing with. Anyone know? Anyone got any ideas? Is there a link or even an indirect link to house hold borne illnesses? Or , of course, none at at all except direct contact through cuts as I found out once.
Your views please and this has been purposely posted on the public forum- don`t expect an appliance repair bloke to know the ins and outs of the whacky world of bacteria from a scientific angle.Re: Whirlpool awo6728 not working now
Whirlpool awo6728 not working now
Postby therma » Tue Feb 26, 2013 7:34 pm
I posted last night when the spin stopped working. Today we cleaned out the pump again, and put back the original carbon bushes. It started spinning again, so put a wash load in. It then washed o.k till it got to spin, then stopped again, arghhhh. now it wont do anything. All lights indicate wash etc, but nothinhg happening.Help please . :eeek“Rinse hold” button in, (if fitted-haven`t checked it my end), seems odd it gets through the rinses and the rinse semi spins but cocks-up just before the major spin at the end-based on how I`m reading it.Faulty pump, blockage elsewhere like air trap,programmer stuffed. ERRR lost for ideas……sorry!
Re: Whirlpool washer wont spin
Did it not spin on more than one occasion? Was the load of clothes large, med, small, single large item?
There is an out of balance circuit built in to the pcb which will stop the machine from spinning if the load is either out of balance or, as is more common, when you`ve washed, say, a pair of jeans, or single big towel, or even 2 big towels- it will just try to spin (distribution speed)but never gets spinning.If so that would be the normal state of affairs. But
possible that if it mucks up regardless of load size being “normal” ie your usual mixture of clobber, that the pcb is up the creek, though i`d be surprised if it was but any disaster is conceivable these days even at a mere 2 years.
As you have checked that it pumps out ok I can`t think what else it could be other than an iffy pressure switch which is not a common problem as far as I know and you also get other symptoms too like over filling caused by a blockage…..though at 2-3 years old, unlikely.
Can`t be more specific but at least it is a pointer.
Let us know what happens.
Best of luck with your machine.Re: List of washers with sealed/welded tubs
Re: List of washers with sealed/welded tubs
Unread post by Martin » Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:38 am
Wow!……….perhaps then the vast majority of washing machine manufacturers where right to decide the future is indeed THE WELDED TUB….! 😉What with welded tubs, brushless motors, sealed pumps, sealed inlet safety valves, computer only programmable electronics…..what’s left to fix?
`T`ain`t seen nothing yet! The first £120 disposable washer is on its way, don`t know when but it will be.
This has, as you know, happened with kettles, toasters etc… but with large white goods what the importers will do is do a discount scheme: buy 120 quid machine, use for 4 years, scrap, buy back for recycle and they will play heavily on that point to make it seem all wonderful, get your machine delivered installed for free, with £10.00 soap power voucher. The only other machines folks will then buy will be the up market complex repairable machines but these will be a manufacturers captive market with as you rightly say “What with welded tubs, brushless motors, sealed pumps, sealed inlet safety valves, computer only programmable electronics…..”. There is a market for every thing at the right price. But there will be no repair market pour moi if/when this happens and I`ll be lucky to get a job flipping burgers- Mac Noodles ” our burgers may be low in fat but they are high in Shelgar”…..Ha, one of my better copied jokes!!Re: List of washers with sealed/welded tubs
Re: List of washers with sealed/welded tubs
Postby crankpot » Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:00 pm
I don’t perceive any great rise in retail prices of washing machines. The low price is due to Brits commanding too high a wage compared to eastern countries. This is just another classic export of British jobs. While Japan is being accused of aggressive monetary policy at the moment to bring our money to them their living standards are falling (£2 a tomato, £1 an apple I heard last week).When we are as squeezed as less “developed” countries it will again be economical for appliances to be worked on in this country. But for now, as Evan Davis (with all his BBC perspectives) says in Made In Britain (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Made-Britain-na … 0349123780) we can only afford to manufacture satellites, rockets and other objects requiring huge kick backs to Universities to get ourselves employed in any “thinking” capacity.
Sorry for the polemic, but if White Goods’ prices inflate, that is good for bringing our standard of living down, and jobs back on shore.
Your forgetting: if white goods prices inflate everything else will inflate meaning wages would in normal times increase too. But these are not normal times. If/now that there is inflation up to 10{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} in some retail/ services sectors normally interest rates increase to control inflation, as does the knock on affect of this which is unemployment. When, not if, this happens there will be a major default on loans/ mortgages, so your right, we will have a low standard of living but for all the wrong reasons. There will be no guarantee of firms starting up production here, this is exactly what happened in Argentina which was a very wealthy place once (50`s and 60`s) and now is not in relative terms.
To be honest, I think short to medium term we are stuffed good and proper with 1.5 trillion pounds worth of private debt let alone the state debt. This is what happens when there is a property bubble ( which has yet to pop properly)built on borrowed money which cannot be paid back- as China is just finding out, the difference is though that they primarily invested in tangible goods they could sell, every day things like washing machines, motorcycles, etc… whereas we invested in the quick buck property ladder which produces nothing positive. To all those who think we should be building council estates to give employment the simple answer is with what, more borrowed money, i.e. more debt to cure the present debt, this is also what UK has done for the last 40 years; it did not work, it just seems to work.
Remember it is not how much you earn that matters it is how much it costs you to live!
Fancy priced repair costs of machines are destroying the appliance industry- if you have a machine that costs £200 to buy but are charging £60-£80 callout and labour do not be surprised you have little work. I charge £30.00 plus parts having lowered my horizons and I`m now getting much more work which means I get something to do to help someone else , and the machines are fixed rather than scrapped which are the 2 main reasons for doing this job in my opinion in the first place.Re: List of washers with sealed/welded tubs
“The quality or otherwise re sealed v screwed drums is irrelevant, the fact is you can get bra wires, socks, screws etc out of a screwed drum, there are many times when it impossible to do this with a welded drum. :rolls:”
Yes your quite right on that point too. A point I neglected to include in my speel. But the point I made on what I did write is still valid as far as it goes.
“The exploding is a bit of an issue with all plastic tanks although never saw it with the screwed ones. I think the type of plastic has also changed.” Yes I thought that too, you could be very right on that in that they`re using a more brittle plastic but I thought that on these disasterous Indesit models it was the seam splitting looking at how the drum is joined without the strengthening fold line of the seam. But of course you could be right that it is the tank that breaks up first rather than the drum breaking causing the tank to disintegrate i.e. that way round rather that t`other……….interesting idea.Re: List of washers with sealed/welded tubs
Re Kwatt and Dr Dill comments- agreed. But it is still not as simple as this and still not as simple as sealed plastic tanks V non sealed tanks. Because-
To use a car analogy: driving your top of the range Western European car for instance in 1985 using Soviet 80 octane petrol won`t get you very far as it is not designed to run on near paraffin ( whereas as a Zappo or a Mosky was )when it should use 97 octane petrol, in other words the car is only as good at running as the petrol you use. Like wise using hard water is likely to make an expensive washer fail to last as long as it would normally have been expected even though you do get better components in more expensive washes. Though having said that I don`t think £600 for a plastic tanked Hotpoint Aqualtis machine is good value at all ( bloody appalling piece of tosh for your money!) and I would not say that £600 is cheap would you for what you get( though a £200 plastic tanked Pro action machine is not bad for the money) In the distant past when I used to repair, on occasion, posh expensive machines all the customers had a proper water softener fitted bar none because this is a hardish water area. A difference with Miele machines, as far as I know, is that the tanks are still s/steel and have a rather nice cast iron bearing assembly that lasts ages in comparison to the cheaper Hotpoint effort. However having mentioned s/steel tanked machines with cast iron bearing assemblies so do many much cheaper Indesits from the recent past too but their bearings did fail the only difference was, but only in my humble opinion and experience, was the lack of being run on softened water ( apart from the possible fact that there are more Indesits out there than Mieles as a percentage so things look worse)……….taking in to account that 30 degrees is 30 degrees whether in a Miele or Indesit makes the same odds given the water being the same softness. And yet it would still be difficult to argue that the cheap Indesit would be a better bet over the Miele for loads of other reasons; that is what you pay for= a superior Miele product with better electrics- very expensive better electrics too! BUT if you were going to run your £900 Miele on normal hard tap water you`d expect trouble sooner rather than later would you not based just on common sense.Re: servis washing machine
If I was you I`d physically have a look at the module for relay cold solderings. The relays are the black square components. Also check the large module`s inductor coil- that is the component that is set in to a small black trough as they are known to break there- due to vibration over the years- given the weight of this component. Just an idea to try first.
Re: List of washers with sealed/welded tubs
“that said, if customers keep demanding lower and lower cost washing machines then manufacturers will seek to reduce costs, this is a way in which they can do that in some measure.”
But, they the customers, do not and that`s the problem. It is not the customers that demand lower prices it is really the manufacturers in competition amongst themselves that lower the price to gain that market share.
Actually, throwing off the rose tinted glasses, the modern 2013 £200 machine is not an electrical/mechanical nightmare as it is commonly portrayed as an electrically mechanical device. But where it comes unstuck, as do much more expensive machines costing 3 times as much under the same circumstances ( e.g.water hardness), is the way they are used, the low temperatures and knock on affects,the size of drum, the spin speed, the water level, bacterial problems and several other problems. For instance the 30 year old Philips 80 series: plastic tank but no one would say that their bearings were an issue at all…..but they ,generally span top whack 1100, had high water levels, and span as they pumped out thus clearing out the rubbish build up within the machine and I am still repairing the odd two or four on my books to this very day. In conclusion. It is not that they had a plastic tank which made them last so long it was because of the axillary design features that made them last i.e. the high water level, small depth drum etc…. The large 7 kg drums of today with a plastic tank suffers from bearing tube/plastic deflection on spin and hair line bearing tube area cracks which is not overly surprising given the load stress and strain= Youngs modulas of plastics whether talking about a sealed tank or a dismantleable tank makes no odds. Though having cut up a sealed tank unit (break up)-a Zanussi- the bearing size was not up to the job given the load requirements… so to be fair you have to take this in to the argument to.Re: List of washers with sealed/welded tubs
iadom wrote:
sce wrote:
“and in so doing has compounded the problem even further….!!!” Which is exactly what Andyjawa was getting at and wrote some weeks ago.He did, didn’t you. 😉
Oh endless iadom wit! Good to hear from you.Re: List of washers with sealed/welded tubs
“All makes sold at Argos” No this is incorrect. The Bush and Pro Action machines (Which are both Vestals) have a tank which can be disassembled. By the way and sort of on topic the Bush bearing oil seal that is most commonly used is size 40x66x10/11.5. This seal has now been changed from a single lip seal to a double lip seal to improve bearing life. Masterpart part number 5045174318013
