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Re: Approved Electrical Connections
Oh Dear Oh Dear !
You know what they say ? It takes one to know one !
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Actually I never stated that you were Cornish at all ! another assumption that is incorrect,
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I heard it was Washers and Cream Tea’s ! in what order I am not sure 🙂
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🙂 : ) 🙂 I have always enjoyed cornish humour Dr Dill by day and who knows ! Jethro by night my luv,
Now whart happened was !
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Martin wrote:Gotcha! :tup:
😀 I think Martin you was well aware of the type of connector I referred to !very naughty ! 😉
Perhaps you thought I meant a Barrel of Scrumpy !
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Martin wrote:I thought I gave it? :con:
No idea what “barrel connectors” are but even if he used chewing gum instead that individual was only negligent by his actions and did not contravene any official legislation.
Also know as Crimp Connectors Martin,
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It Appears from further investigations that the use of Crimp Connectors is permissible in this circumstance. Not my choice though, as its possible for these types of connectors to pull apart by using cheap crimps, crimps of the wrong diameter or inferior crimping tools or poor assembly techniques.
As for our learned friend, and to put the false assumptions being made aside
I was not attempting to blame anyone but to seek out the facts if this type of connection is legal when considered with Plugs and other types of recognised methods of connection which carry the appropriate markings.In all the years I have been in this trade I have seen many improvised methods of connection mostly by customers, kitchen Fitters and the like, However not once on any training I have received has there ever been instruction or discussion on making direct mains connections using these types of connector where the user could have access or come into contact with same.
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I really dont get what point you are trying to make,
The Point I was making was that the use of Barrel connections do not conform to British Safety Standards or CE. Where a retailer supplies an appliance to a customer the manufacturer has ensured that they have conformed with those standards, along a careless installer in this particular case one and the same as the supplier, cut off the plug and used a means other than described.
The retailer / supplier/ Installing Engineer must have a Duty Of Care in the matter and what I was asking is if under UK Plugs & Sockets Regulations 1994 & The Consumer Protection Act 1987 that this could or would fall under those acts ? It really does not matter how many appliances you might install weekly or whatever and in all respect that is of no concern here.
So does anyone actually know the answer to my original questions as I am just interested to know the answer?
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I think Dr you have missed the mark of my original question, I am not pondering as to what to do to wire this correctly but am asking the question if what has been done is illegal and against the legislation evidently in force which some here may not be aware of.
Some may want to take a look at this as I suspect as suppliers of new appliances and in the course of service work this act would apply to us
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I am not saying she is going to summon anyone, my points are hypothetical martin, 🙂 what If they did ? I am not saying what I am going to do , if anything, all I am saying is the connection made by this previous company illegal ? I think that it is and that it could well fall under the regs as previously outlined, also because this was fitted only weeks back then its reasonable to think the original installer done this misdeed. The customer is trying to find the receipt for this as simply she has mislaid it during building work
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Thanks Guys, However that is not the question I was posing ? The machine is only a few weeks old hence it is still under warranty. The customer cannot get hold of the previous company and cannot find the receipt hence her call to me.
In the event of her finding that receipt and she summons the manufacturers service this will not be a warranty issue and I am sure that the attending engineer will quickly observe the situation.Therefore what I am asking is this not subject to UK Plugs & Sockets Regulations 1994 and supplying in the course of business and also Penalties which states that it is an offence to supply devices or electrical equipment which do not comply with the Requirements, The Consumer Protection Act 1987, lays down penalties for an offence against safety regulations as made under Section 11 as imprisonment for up to six months or a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale ( Currently £ 5000.00 ) or both !
I have such connections as described Martin and was not asking about how I might overcome this issue, but more as to the legalities of what has been done
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I agree, especially when Mr Smith asks why its failed and what needs rectifying and your only reply is “I’m not qualified
I only advocate its a waste for these reasons and I try to explain that further training (APPLIANCE QUALIFICATION) for our specific industry be implemented, as technically no engineer is qualified to work on appliance as there is no qualification. :rotfl:
The reason why we don’t have it, cost vs death/injury. Again the yrs i spent in EU no test every got done, no equipment was provided,
While I hear what your saying thats not really the case here is it, Manufactures Service Engineers are all trained in Electrical Safety and have been for many years and are supplied with the equipment to carry out those tests which although they are not statutory tests are mandatory by the employers and for good reason !
Just because no tests were carried out and no equipment was supplied to do so and no one got injured is at least here in the UK neither here or there, in todays litigious times it is unwise not to to perform these tests. Its funny how this subject crops up on a fairly regular basis and I have to admit it was one of the first subjects I can remember when I first joined this site. Dr Dill was of couse right as like he I can remember making calls where Customers were complaining of electrical shocks from sinks and pipework and also being out with engineers who had no test equipment at all and they were as mystified by the phenomenon of that type of fault.
Largely most engineers know that they should be carrying out these tests before and after every repair which make our life easier, safer along with safety for the clients and how one would operate any other way is a enigma to me.
Of course I agree that its time that qualifications were implemented for our trade but they would need to be developed with already recognised electrical codes to make them worthwhile and legalRe: electrical safety testing ?
its another situ where if you were last at appliance etc and didnt check earth etc what would happen if customer got a shock etc..
As Professional Service Engineers deemed as so as we are supplying a service to members of the General Public and charging money for it, ( this does not take account if the Service Engineer is qualified or a complete idiot as we all know that there are those who test and those who do not ) it would be expected that any engineer would or should have ensured the appliance was safe to use and by not applying the proper tests which would reveal such a fault that the Engineer was negligent. The law may not specify that these tests are mandatory and recorded and here I am thinking about Earth Tests of the appliance being serviced and polarity checks on the sockets being used.
Surely in the instance that a member of the General Public was injured or killed by a faulty appliance that had been touched recently by such a deemed Professional in the sense of that definition that they would carry responsibility for failing to address such a fault.Re: MONDIA PARTS ANYONE ?
This does look more like a Philco than Servis but I wonder if anyone has parts that can be cross referenced with the Mondia model I have ?
