meggers

[Penguin45]

Re: meggers

Mike, the topic has veered away from Adv’s request for advice and help and entered into the realms of applied safety. Whilst the two are obviously linked, the question that Adv asked is not being answered.

The “general discussion” should be carried out in General Trade, advice and info for the OP should be done in this thread.

Chris,
Moderator.

[twinspark]

Re: meggers

i test every appliance and have done so since i started repairing morphy richards toasters in 1976 🙂

[lee8]

Re: meggers

adv wrote:just a quick question,never had a megger, never realy needed one. but what are its advantages.a no it puts 500v through.components. but what is it proveing?still stumpt on this candyd/w cdi1012 took to work shop. fitted new pcb, lights up but wont do nothing.checked all wireing. and continuity through all components.not with a megger tho . just a meter.been on to candy tech. they say have you meggerd machine? that could be causin fault. megger what exactly? thats what am asking?am not getin a neutral to pump extra. am thinkin duff new 😳 pcb?

I`ll try to put this polite, I`m not trying to put you down, but if you need to ask such questions maybe you should take a course at your local tech college.

Not knowing how or what functions a megger can provide tends to indicate that you lack a basic level of Electrical capability.

[Martin]

Re: meggers

Penguin45 wrote:The “general discussion” should be carried out in General Trade, advice and info for the OP should be done in this thread.

I quite agree in fact a mod should move this thread there so we can create a more relevant forum platform for such an important issue.

With the regard to the OP’s request for help on his Candy D/washer, I’ve offered that to him 3 times now and am still up for it, what say you adv?

lee8 wrote:I`ll try to put this polite,

Best not go there Lee TBH as it brings the issue direct and personal to the OP. However the point is not lost but simply highlights a need within the trade for addition (basic) training being made available to those who can benefit the most from it.

It was a suggestion by me to make this information available here on UKW for all to read and seek future reference from. I also thought about including that within the Error Codes Booklet but that idea has fallen on stony ground I fear. Further thinking by me on the subject, ideally a downloadable pdf file would be the best option I reckon as the document can then include photographic illustrations of the various testing techniques and procedures needed in our day to day activities.

I will cobble something together myself and offer it as an email attachment to all that mail me rather than put it directly on UKW. Their downloadable documents within the Navigation bar area allow all (including the general public) access and that would never be my intention as the info is TRADE USE ONLY. Best keep it that way eh?

😉

[lee8]

Re: meggers

I agree it should be made law beyond the Work place regulations.

Having said that I thought the Safety at work regs covered the domestic engineer working in a clients property because as soon as an engineer opens his tools or begins work that clients home then becomes a place of work ans then alters the regulations to take that into account.

I`m no lawyer and have always choosen to cover my own rear, which is way my test equipment including the megger retail for more than a grand to purchase.

I`m sure I could get away without it, but I like the fact I`m a pro. 😉

[Specialist01269]

Re: meggers

Hi Lee: The Law regarding safety testing after completion of a repair in Domestic premises seems Grey to say the least & I can’t get a straight answer.
I’ve spoken to several Trading standards officers some say it is Law others say not, some say it comes under the Electricity at work act & again others say not.
Personally as you i’ve spent a lot on test gear & will carry on testing Law or not, helps me sleep at night.

Andy

[Specialist01269]

Re: meggers

BTW where is the evidence for this much bandied about “fact” that most engineers don’t even own a megger?
Mike.

Hi Mike: Check your PMs: Andy

[twinspark]

Re: meggers

I think in our trade we should make sure everthing we repair is left safe for our customers to use, we should all use meggars 😀

[Martin]

Re: meggers

Specialist01269 wrote:Hi Lee: The Law regarding safety testing after completion of a repair in Domestic premises seems Grey to say the least & I can’t get a straight answer.

Let’s not get too confused here about what is law and what isn’t. The fact is that there are regulations that cover all aspects of electrical safety and HSE as well as other government backed bodies and institutions all have it in black and white. No grey areas there at all I think you’ll find.

I our trade, as I’ve mentioned earlier, there’s little or no obligation to implement those complex though clearly defined regulations. Therefore the law only comes into the frame when something goes wrong. Possibly only when someone gets electrocuted or their house burns to the ground. Then and only then will those that dabble in domestic appliance repairs and installation be scrutinised over their safety working practices.

As stated previously I believe, there’s more more chance of you stepping out of your front door and getting run over by a No34 bus than being dragged into court by someone who reckons you electrocuted someone else! Hence the fact that in the UK (and the entire world for that matter) theirs a lawless, unregulated bunch of supposed professional machine fixers who haven’t a clue about basic safety let alone carry a megger or even have a clue how to use it?

Incidentally, I’ve almost completed my missionary work 😈 in that my pdf file on meggers and loop testers is going well, don’t hold your breath now but by next weekend maybe….I could save someone’s life?

Meanwhile, put a Megger on your Christmas list, if you ain’t got one already that is, and I’ll show you what to do with it soon enough!

Now cue Bob Newhart (in his hilarious sketch -How to defuse a bomb?) when he said “stop that whining Willard…if I can save one persons life……”

[lee8]

Re: meggers

Its true about the rest of the world.

All my yrs working for BSH in Spain not one Engineer I asked knew anything about safety testing, meggers, nothing.

I shadowed various engineers and not one carried even a multi meter.

I even did gas calls to Gas leaking installations with guys who didn`t have any knowledge of Gas.

Which explains why there is so many gas explosions.

Yet in the UK we (Company Engineers) follow EU legislation.

Its true though very few incidents occur compared to the majority of repairs.

HSE has not reduced the work place incident rate since it was introduced.

People make mistakes and its just a simple fact of life, it cannot be stopped.

I do the full range of checks because it makes me as a company look good and customers tend to come back for more when there happy with your work.

[Specialist01269]

Re: meggers

Martin wrote:

Specialist01269 wrote:
Hi Lee: The Law regarding safety testing after completion of a repair in Domestic premises seems Grey to say the least & I can’t get a straight answer.

Martin Wrote:
Let’s not get too confused here about what is law and what isn’t. The fact is that there are regulations that cover all aspects of electrical safety and HSE as well as other government backed bodies and institutions all have it in black and white. No grey areas there at all I think you’ll find.

Martin: Maybe you should re-read what I said, & I think you’ll find it’s not me who’s confused, Trading standards even on a Higher level cannot give a straight answer on the requirement for safety testing. There are different answers depending on who you talk to or when you talk to them, personally I really do’nt give a damn 1 way or the other I was just trying to get a straight answer from them & clarify the point.

Andy 😡

[Martin]

Re: meggers

Specialist01269 wrote:Trading standards even on a Higher level cannot give a straight answer on the requirement for safety testing.

The simple reason being Andy, there isn’t any in our trade that Trading Standards can police other than GSR for gas and Part P for electrical installations. Outside of that the courts decide who, why and what went wrong and who or what is to blame.

Trading Standards part in all that is just to shuffle paperwork about from someone’s in tray and out tray. They haven’t a flippin’ clue and ain’t that the truth. :rolls:

Generally speaking what goes on in the whitegoods trade, specifically appliance repairs overall is to a good high standard. That’s in spite of the fact, as I say, that it’s a pretty lawless realm. Most of the guys out there that wield a screwdriver and spanner for a living do a good job. And if those that have joined up as trade members of UKW are anything to go by then they have shown that they’re willing and able to learn even more in order to do a better job.

We can clean up our own act, thank you very much, without those jackboot bureaucrats making our life even more difficult for us to earn a crust.

As we say in the trade “if it ain’t broke don’t mend it!” and I for one am not going to ask Trading Standards, which hoop I should jump through lest they should then spend the next 3 weeks trying to find out if there are some more specific colours and size of hoop in order to comply their wishes?

Besides what happened to the Meggers thread anyway?:con:

[lee8]

Re: meggers

Martin wrote:

Besides what happened to the Meggers thread anyway?:con:

Got answered.

This is much more important.

As for Trading Standards, there only purpose in life is too equip the public with more misunderstanding of the Sales of Goods act.

I`m sure they read from a script, you could ring trading standards all day long with various scenarios and there response would be the same. :rolls:

Fit for its purpose, yeap a broken washing is definitely not fit for purpose

:rolls:

[Specialist01269]

Re: meggers

O.K I missed something, what’s much more important??

As for the question of trading standards, there seem to be so many different opinions withing the trade that I was trying to clarify the matter.

The Meggers thread seems to have gone by the board, how are you getting on with the write up?

Andy

[Martin]

Re: meggers

Specialist01269 wrote:how are you getting on with the write up?

Almost done!:tup: 😉

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