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Re: W3922 vs ISE10
adamhornsby wrote:I have also found that when washing heavily stained towels especially tea towels, 2 dessert spoons of Napisan (found under the baby aisle!) in with the powder on 60c wash, works a treat.
A decent detergent used correctly does not need additives such as this.
Napisan is merely another stain remover like Vanish and oh so many others that, really, aren’t required unless you’re doing something wrong or have a rubbish performing washer. But, if you want to pay for something you don’t need to then be my guest, there’s loads of companies out there that will charge for “miracles”. It’s no wonder people are so confused by this laundry malarkey what with all this stuff floating about on supermarket shelves and so much misinformation.
BTW, a good 90รลกC or higher wash will kill anything that that additive will, which for anything you need as close to sterilisation as you can get, you should be doing with that sort of laundry anyway. There’s no short cuts.
Like I said, it all comes down to knowing how to do it.
But can I interest you in some magic cleaning potion with extract of rattus norvegicus and a wonderful tropical smell that really works? ๐
K.
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LOL Kwatt!!
I have actually used napisan in the past. It claims to be germicidal at 30c. However I never felt comfortable washing sheets and towels that low.
Napisan also did a really good job on really heavily stained socks that any regular detergent struggled with alone, regardless of dosage and wash cycle.
But for most laundry inc. tea towels and the like, a normal dose of detergent, i find is sufficient generally.
I’ve also heard that dishwasher powder is good as a detergent in a maintenance wash due to its formula. You guys ever heard of this?
Dan ๐
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dan0k5 wrote:I’ve also heard that dishwasher powder is good as a detergent in a maintenance wash due to its formula. You guys ever heard of this?
Yep. Another old wives tale I’m afraid. ๐
K.
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Ah well! Just another wondering of mine! ๐
The hotpoint is running as smooth as silk still. Was doing some washing at a friends house today – She has a Hotpoint WMA11 First edition. Really good machine. Cleans well and rinses 3 times as standard!Although one thing I did notice, was that it didnt appear to have any imbalace sensors. It just distributed and went hell for leather! Sounding rather a lot like an old 95 series hotpoint! Crashing around inside the cabinet and rattling rather a lot! It has recently been serviced apparently and had a new door seal fitted. First repair in about 7 years according to my friend.
Do these machines actually have imbalance protection? I thought being of the newer hotpoint design it would have been as fussy as mine!
Dan
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WM11 will be between 11 & 13 years old. No electronic OOB control on those machines.
First introduced in 1995.
Jim.
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Hotpoint WMA11 First edition its of the newer WMA range not an older WM model.
Easy mistake to be made i suppose after a long hard day ๐
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Gah! Didnt realise the bold text would come out that big lol!
Sorry about that wasnt intending on it being like that ๐
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All recently made machines should have spin balance protection for safety. I suppose the WMA machines are very similiarly made to each other, we have the WMA35 which says in the instructions that it clearly has out of balance protection, and although the machine is level and packed, it still seems to shake and vibrate a lot.
the wma was a hotpoint machine, the wf/wt is an indesit machine
however both machines have out of balance protection circuits – the wma machines less sensetive
the wma was the last of the original hotpoint machines, and although they werent the best, they outshine that new generation 10 fold
and, adam, its not for safety… you should really read up on it – again, your making unfounded comments
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DOH, had my contact lenses in, a new pres ..cription so I need to use reading glasses when wearing them for close up work, I didn’t have them on on at the time. ๐ณ
Jim.
Damn those spam filters, would not let me write p r e s c r i p t i o n. :rolls:
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Evidently less sensitive due to its crashing around inside the cabinet! ๐
If my Hotpoint tried to spin like that it’d probably snap the struts and the drum would promptly fall to the base of the cabinet ๐ฏ
Clearly a very indestructive machine. Working through at least 3 loads a day, every day without fail!
I shall be hunting around ebay for one local to me as it seems quite a nice machine in general. I dont mind a noisy washer really whereas most would prefer the “super silent” crap.
Don’t worry about the contact lense thing! It happens to the best of us ๐
Adam I too know it is not for safety, it is to prevent excessive vibration and to stop damage to the machine itself.
Dan
the wma range werent overly bad
although the tub and drum assembly is still in use in some of the current machines, the motor and electronics are far different
when they made them, we all thought they were poor, with high bearing failure rates, however, theyre reliable compared to the new generation
jim (iadom) is always stating how he has a wma (62?) at home, and he quite likes it
its like anything else.. the engineers (not adam of course, he draws pictures!)have seen the way machines should be made , going back to the old wrap round cabinets on the hotpoints, twin tubs, top loaders etc
its difficult for us to watch these machines be as bad as they are, weve seen how they could be.. its frustrating seeing the ‘quality’ of modern day machines
quick note – yes the out of balance scenario is to stop vibration and damage to the machine, yet old machines didnt have it
why? because they could handle it, things were made from quality materials, designed to last years, the new machines are all plastic and shake to pieces if allowed towrite that down adam, it might be useful to you in that other forum you post in
get yerself a nice, basic wma32 dan, not bad, when all said and done!
and thanks for your inputrob
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So, the thread finally completes the circle.
ISE partly came out of our deep and continuing frustration with the absolute tat we are supposed to deal with these days. Family brand names that just aren’t what they were. Badge engineering. Deceptive service policies from manufacturers and retailers alike. Hugely over-priced spares. Budget machines which just aren’t servicable.
Ideally, it has to stop; but it isn’t an ideal world. What ISE represents is how it could be done. Decent product with good warranties, personal service and economically priced spares. Even the 2 machine is a quality product in its price band – a 2 year warranty on a sub-ยฃ300 machine is an excellent statement of what we think of its worth.
And Adam did get the Spin protection bit right – it was initially marketed as a safety feature (1980’s Hotpoint Microtronics?) due to the lack of sophistication available with electronic motor control at that time. They were originally a weighted mechanical knock-off device. Now they are a machine self-defence device to prevent some flimsy, under-engineered bit of plastic carp battering itself to bits on it’s cheap ineffective dampers and Bacofoil strength cabinet.
Consider – you can buy a washer from ยฃ160 if you have a little poke about. You can (easily) spend more on a vacuum cleaner – a plastic box, a motor and a switch. Hello…………?
Penguin45.
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Penguin45 wrote:
And Adam did get the Spin protection bit right – it was initially marketed as a safety feature (1980’s Hotpoint Microtronics?)
8 to 10 years before that actually. The Hotpoint 1600 had four suspension legs, two of which had micro switches attached to the mountings, one for OOB, the other for extreme OOB.
Spinning at 1100 rpm all those years ago. 8)
Jim.
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Oh yes, I have seen the old Hotpoint 1600 machine in old magazines and on the net. Looks like a very solid machine.
Jeez the designer of that would be absolutley mortified to see the current hotpoint offerings!Will keep an eye out for a WMA machine local to me.
I rather like the older WM ranges too however, they are reknowned(sp?) for their shorter wash times producing dismal results with whites regardless of detergent.
I do know that the later WM machines I.E WM54-56 First eds, WM65-67 aquarius models had increased wash times to make them A rated as apposed the the earlier models scraping a C rating.I wouldnt mind either machine really… Sometimes could do with a 2nd machine to get through the work load quicker ๐
Makes more sense to me to have two smaller capacity machines, rather than one gigantic canyon sized drum which never gets filled to capacity after sorting into coloureds, darks, black, whites and such.
Dan
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