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Re: W3922 vs ISE10
adamhornsby wrote: Our Hotpoint,
WOW thats the comment i was waiting for, for all his sales patter & love of his employer, he has, at HIS home, doing HIS washing……..A HOTPOINT!!!!!
sums it all up really,
now i can rest with my ‘dodgy’ repairs, (well i do charge a lot less than ยฃ100 a call, so i must be dodgy eh?)
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Maybe also Adam, you should review some of your customers thoughts on Miele’s before you start slating machines you know nothing about!!
WhirlpoolQueen wrote:
I do have a Miele machine which I bought from John Lewis’s in town, yes it is quiet, yes it washes well, but it has needed a couple of service calls within the first year, & if am honest I do regret buying in my haste now.
WQ
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K.
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My hotpoint has 12 wash cycles plus a rinse and spin cycle, 2 seperate spin cycles and a draining cycle.
Cycle 1 – Prewash Only
Cycle 2 – White Cotton – Performs 95c wash, cooldown, wash spin, rinse 1, spin, rinse 2, final spin 1600
Cycle 3 – Superwash – Performs 60c wash, wash spin, rinse 1, spin, rinse 2, final spin 1600
Cycle 4 – Colourfast Cotton – Performs wash at 60c, wash spin, rinse 1, spin, rinse 2, final spin 1600
Cycle 5 Fastwash – Performs wash at 60c, wash spin, rinse 1, spin, rinse 2, final spin 1200
Cycle 6 Non Colourfast Cotton – Performs wash at 40c, wash spin, rinse 1, spin, rinse 2, final spin 1600
Cycle 7 – Acrylics – Wash at 40c, wash spin, rinse 1, spin, rinse 2, final spin 800.
Cycle 8 – Coolwash – Wash at 30c, wash spin, rinse 1, spin, rinse 2, final spin 1600
Cycle 9 – Wool – Wash at 40c, wash spin, rinse 1, spin, rinse 2, spin, rinse 3, spin, rinse 4, final spin 800. Final spin is 1000 if wash enhance is selected on this cycle. When wash enhance is selected the wool cycle continually rotates the drum at 90rpm therefore causing less rubbing and pilling of the wool fibres.
Cycle 10 – Silks – Wash at 30c, drain, rinse 1, drain, rinse 2, drain, rinse 3, final spin 800.
Cycle 11 – Fastwash – Wash at 30c, wash spin, rinse 1, spin, rinse 2, final spin.
Cycle 12 – Handwash- Wash at 25c, drain, rinse 1, drain, rinse 2, drain rinse 3, final spin 800.
My option buttons are “wash enhance” “Reduced Creases” “Rinse Hold” “mini load” and “Time Delay”.
The reduced creases option adds a third rinse, however excludes the wash spin, and reduces spin speed between the rinses, therefore not providing any better results than the standard 2 rinses.
The machine will however automatically add a third rinse on the cottons cycle if the wash or rinse spin gets locked with suds.
Thanks KWatt I do know what I am talking about when it comes to the washing machine for the main part. I know most of its workings, and what its doing.
My man point is the main cottons cycles which I use – 2, 3 and 6. Do not allow you to add an extra rinse and keep a faster interim spin speed.
The wf860 and similar however, have the option to add an extra rinse. The bottom of the line Aquarius models too have an extra rinse option. Just my middle range ultima does not!
Dan
Re: W3922 vs ISE10
hotpnt wrote:Maybe also Adam, you should review some of your customers thoughts on Miele’s before you start slating machines you know nothing about!!
WhirlpoolQueen wrote:
I do have a Miele machine which I bought from John Lewis’s in town, yes it is quiet, yes it washes well, but it has needed a couple of service calls within the first year, & if am honest I do regret buying in my haste now.
WQ
I didnt mean dodgy engineers sorry about that ๐ , of course the only dodgy thing is Indesit. We do have a Hotpoint at the moment, it was given to us, as some friend of my dads was having a new kitchen installed so didnt need this machine. It is far from perfect though, but will last untill we get the new machines in. Just because one person isnt so happy with their Miele, doesnt mean thousands of others arent either. I have heard many people raving about their Miele’s. Miele have an extremely low failure rate after all unlike Hotpoints and Indesits. ๐
adam
have you actually considered the validity of your statement?
there are people on here who have been raving about their hotpoints/indesits.. they dont all break down
admittedly, there may well be a higher failure rate, but ,hey, theyre ยฃ400 cheaper
you wanna bang your miele drum somewhere else?
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As always, the lower priced machines generally will have a shorter life span, however this is not always the case. Some lower end machines you get and do people maybe 18 months, whereas some can keep going on year after year, regardless of the amount of usage.
I mean look at my friends servis machine. It will be knocking on for 10 year old now, and all its ever had done is 3 replacement door seals due to mould damage caused by constantly washing at 40 “Bleargh” ๐ฏ
It is used on average 8-10 loads a week, and never any problems other than the door seal. Whereas some may have bough the same model usedit oly once a week and only got 18 months out of it. Some machines are just lemons, you get them in ANY brand. Whether it be Indesit, Servis or Miele!
Personally with the performance I’m getting from the Hotpoint at the moment besides the rinsing issue, I hope it does last a decent while. I’m very pleased with it.
Also to answer an earlier statement about temperature and dosage on white loads.
Most white clothes are done at 50c however some are done at 60c.
Detergent is always a plain biological, never non bio or colourcare. Generally Daz, Surf or Persil, as Ariel’s cleaning recently has decreased awfully.The dosage is followed from the packaging although sometimes just under, as sometimes the reccomended dose is a bit too much.
The rinsing is just as important for white loads in particular as it plays a significant part in cleaning, as it rinses the dirt away. *sorry I know, that you all know that!*
Adam makes some fairly valid points at times, however at times he does bring the dis-respect on himself. No Offense Adam. You’re just showing an interest in the whitegoods business. However offering advice on repairs and such when your not “in the biz” so to speak can annoy those in the know.
Dan
its a good point
older machines just tend to be better, before the days of plastic tubs and over complex electronics
simple, yet effective, designed to last
Re: W3922 vs ISE10
Hi Dan,
With a decent detergent, correctly dosed, 40รลกC should be just fine for most everyday dirt. Increasing to 50รลกC really isn’t going to accomplish a lot.
Washing at 60รลกC or above is recommended for towelling, bedding especially and the likes as it kills mites about and above that temperature.
dan0k5 wrote:The rinsing is just as important for white loads in particular as it plays a significant part in cleaning, as it rinses the dirt away. *sorry I know, that you all know that!*
It’s not actually cleaning as such, it’s rinsing out the dirt held in suspension by the builder and washing any excess detergent away. By that point in the process the actual cleaning is pretty much done.
It is an important stage that is required for any wash load, not just whites. Poor rinsing can lead to all sorts of issues, not least of which is detergent deposits and skin irritation.
If your Hotpoint is setup to do the job right then there’s little to be done other than to complain to Hotpoint that the machine doesn’t meet your expectations or requirements. Many manufacturers will cut the rinses to reduce wash times and/or water use figures and I’m afraid it’s a case of caveat emptor, if you don’t research what you buy then there’s no-one to blame but the buyer I’m afraid. You wouldn’t buy a new car without some serious research on what it does and will cost over the term of ownership, appliances are the same.
I’m sorry if that’s not what people want to hear but, it’s the truth of it.
K.
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Yeah. Thanks KWatt.
I did research the Hotpoint a fair bit before buying it, we were originally going to purchase a Miele machine on a credit plan, however we felt it best to keep debt free and went with a lower priced washer.
The Hotpoint does a fantastic job in every other aspect. The average cycle times are really good for a modern machine I think. 1hr 30 for non colourfast 40, and 1hr30 for the colourfast 60 programme too.
I always wash coloured bedding on a 60c cycle and lower the spin speed to around 1200 as to reduce creasing. White Bedding gets the same treatment.
I always wash towels in separate loads too. Coloured towels get a 60c wash 4 rinses and maximum spinning. White towels get 60c usually but sometimes 95c with 4 rinses and maximum spinning.
All tea towels, dish-cloths, cleaning cloths, dusters etc get washed at 95c with 4 rinses and max spinning.
I have washed whites at 40c in the past, and got good results. I usually use 50c out of routine habit I suppose. Will try and wash them at 40c more often to be a bit more eco friendly.
My Hotpoint uses 60 litres of water on a cotton cycle. Which is a fair bit for a new machine. Although half the amount of what a Hoover Logic machine used to use sometimes up to 120 litres of water a load!
My current detergent offerings for whites are Sainsburys own bio powder, not the economy one. and surf tropical powder. Both are giving pleasing results and have found rinse out much easier than P&G products.
I accept your point about it being the buyers fault for the machine not living up to said owners expectations, however in the store I did have a good read of the instruction manual and just assumed that the rinsing would not be a problem. Especially seeing as it uses 5 more litres of water than my old Hoover machine did!
Overall a pretty impressive machine for the price!Lets hope it lasts a bit!
Dan.
Re: W3922 vs ISE10
I have also found that when washing heavily stained towels especially tea towels, 2 dessert spoons of Napisan (found under the baby aisle!) in with the powder on 60c wash, works a treat.
Ariel is still a good detergent, but Morrisons Cyclon seems to work just as well and does the Simply Active tabletsRe: W3922 vs ISE10
Didn’t he have a hit as a piano playing dude in the 80’s – Adam Hornsby and the Range. The song was “That’s just the way it is” IIRC. ๐
Maybe the Range should now be “range cooker”, in stainless of course. Positioned next to the fridge.
Re: W3922 vs ISE10
aqualectric wrote:Didn’t he have a hit as a piano playing dude in the 80’s – Adam Hornsby and the Range. The song was “That’s just the way it is” IIRC. ๐
Maybe the Range should now be “range cooker”, in stainless of course. Positioned next to the fridge.
nah, it was bruce hornsby and the range
good gag though
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