W3922 vs ISE10

[kwatt]

Re: W3922 vs ISE10

Hi Gary,

The brush motors on the ISE10’s last a ludicrous length of time, repairers hate them as they last too long! 😆 😉

Even when they do finally start to wear they give off a nasty noise and protect themselves and the motor armature too. It really is a bit daft, we advise people to buy stuff that stops us making money from maintenance, I’ll never work that one out. Perhaps we’re just a bit daft that way.

Induction motors (brushless) are generally quieter and, arguably, more reliable although a if you compare a good brush motor (as fitted to yours) against an induction motor there’s little to nothing in it in all honesty. Small advantages IMO but not a dealbreaker if you see what I mean.

HTH

K.

[dan0k5]

Re: W3922 vs ISE10

IF a brushless motor is supposed to be super silent then why does my hotpoint brushless motor make a racket at any speed above 1200 rpm?

My friend has a miele w3922 with brushless motor and it is silent when washing and spinning. all you hear is the air whooshing around in the drum when its spinning.

My hotpoint however is rather audible at any speed above 1200rpm. I know it states “Super Silent Wash” so the spin is expected to be audible, however I thought all brushless motors although different in design and performance were designed to be super silent at domestic washing machine spin speeds?

I hope I havent confused any of you with that!

Thanks! 😀

[kwatt]

Re: W3922 vs ISE10

Basically Dan…

Hotpoint use a cheap motor so you can buy the machine cheap.

Miele use a far better motor as they’re not so price conscious.

Largely, as usual, you get what you pay for and if you cut costs with mechanical devices then you sacrifice quality and usually longevity as well as performance.

K.

[dan0k5]

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Thanks for that!

I just assumed they would both be very quiet! Working in the same way.

Although I’m reasonably impressedwith the performance of my WT761.

I havea few niggles with it –

Rinsing performance is pretty poor, although they fill a fair bit up the door when rinsing, there are only 2 rinses used on the cottons and acrylics cycles and I feel that at least 3 are required for most loads. Especially towels.

The spin performace is superb however this is only after its finally decided it’s balanced enough to spin. I know all modern machines have some form ob balance protection. But this machine really takes the p*ss. I was running a load on the 30min fastwash before, however it ended up taking 60 mins due to it being fussy with balancing the load.

The final spin cycle on all cottons cycles lasts approx 20 minutes which is a horrifyingly long amount of time, however the results it produces are far superior to even my friends 1600 miele.

My hotpoint does 3 bursts at 300rpm. proceeds to do a short 600 spin. slows, goes back up for a longer 800 spin. slows. goes back up for 2 mins at 1200. Slows. Goes back up to 1400 for 2 minutes and then upto 1600 for 4 minutes. Towel loads dry in no time, the same applies to jeans loads.

Other than the fussy balancing sensor, and the poor rinsing performance, I am rather happy with the machine overall. It is now 1 year and 1 month old, and only needed one repair, whereby the pressure switch had gone faulty.

Not bad for a Hotpoint/Indesit machine IMHO.

Sorry for rambling!! 😆

[adamhornsby]

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dan0k5 wrote:IF a brushless motor is supposed to be super silent then why does my hotpoint brushless motor make a racket at any speed above 1200 rpm?

My friend has a miele w3922 with brushless motor and it is silent when washing and spinning. all you hear is the air whooshing around in the drum when its spinning.

My hotpoint however is rather audible at any speed above 1200rpm. I know it states “Super Silent Wash” so the spin is expected to be audible, however I thought all brushless motors although different in design and performance were designed to be super silent at domestic washing machine spin speeds?

I hope I havent confused any of you with that!

Thanks! 😀

Hotpoint just lie in general, so much for ‘designed for the real word’ hehe, Hotpoint dont know what the real world is. My idea of a real world is a machine that doesnt break down after a damned month!

[dan0k5]

Re: W3922 vs ISE10

The first lot of Super silent machines from Hotpoint were infact misleading as they simply stated “Super Silent”

However, after what i’m presuming are a whole host of complaints from purchasers complaining about the audible spin cycle, they changed it to “Super Silent Wash”

Therefore it is no longer a lie or is misleading anybody as it is not stating that the machines are super silent on the whole. Just in the tumbling phases.

Any engineers on here reckon that I could get a hotpoint engineer out with his laptop and techno-doodley stuff and maybe get them to programme in an extra rinse as standard?
I’m wondering if this is possible, as I know they connect their laptops to the machine to do diagnostics and fault checking and whatever else.

Thanks

[adamhornsby]

Re: W3922 vs ISE10

Its probably possible, of course as the programme parameters are programmed electronically after all its only a microchip, i cant see it not being able to be done, but the only thing is whether Hotpoint’s dodgy service, will actually allow a engineer to do it for you.
Have you tried emailing them your enquiry?

[helo_75]

shut up adam

no, you cant add another rinse, its a set program file, no deviation

adam, your getting worse.. its a software thing, yes, but the machine has features, it isnt supposed to be deviated from

and anyway , an extra rinse will do nothing more than increase the cost of the wash

do your homework adam, and stop spouting nonesense

we know your a fan of miele, but when someone pays £400 less for a machine, they cant expect it to be of the same quality as the miele

and again, people, adam has NO experience of appliances, has never repaired one, and now, evidentally has no idea about how they work or what they do

now, i await a hotpoint engineer, whose services are ‘dodgy’ according to adam to comment

that, to me, was a personal insult.. the hotpoint guys may work for them, but they are in no means ‘dodgy’ or under qualified adam, i suggest you retract that statement, its neither fair nor just

[dan0k5]

Re: W3922 vs ISE10

Was just a general wondering thats all…

I guess I will have to stick to letting the machine performing its 2 rinses as standard, letting it get to the 1200rpm part of the final spin and then cancel the cycle and reselect the rinses and spin programme, then reselect fast spin. Which is what I have been doing for rather absorbent loads such as towelling.

Whites also require more rinsing imho as otherwise the detergent build up makes them look rather grungy!

[helo_75]

im sure your machine must have an extra rinse/rinse plus feature?

what model is it? if its 3 phase it must be a wf860 / wt 761 or the like?

[iadom]

Re: W3922 vs ISE10

dan0k5 wrote:

Whites also require more rinsing imho as otherwise the detergent build up makes them look rather grungy!

It depends more on what temperature you are using and dosage.

[adamhornsby]

Re: W3922 vs ISE10

2 rinses? Isnt the minimum supposed to be 3? I guess this is down to daft Indesit programming. Our Hotpoint does 3, strange that the new ones dont.

[admin]

Re: W3922 vs ISE10

kwatt wrote:Hi Gary,

The brush motors on the ISE10’s last a ludicrous length of time

Good to know.

I see the marketing department have been busy. 🙂

Have entered the competition on the simplywashing website although not sure what I will do if I win another?…. Could give me 40 years of design life 😯

Really rate the simply washing products by the way. Any inside track on if/when they will release a product for colours ❓ 😉

[don]

Re: W3922 vs ISE10

helo_75 wrote:im sure your machine must have an extra rinse/rinse plus feature?

what model is it? if its 3 phase it must be a wf860 / wt 761 or the like?

dan0k5 wrote:Although I’m reasonably impressedwith the performance of my WT761.

Spot on helo_75 , 😉

He knows what he`s talking about Adam :snig:

[kwatt]

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gmoorc wrote:Really rate the simply washing products by the way. Any inside track on if/when they will release a product for colours ❓ 😉

Maybe soon. 😉

I didn’t know about that competition until a few days ago… nobody tells me nuffin!

2 rinses is normal on quick programs, 3 is normal on main washes. The extra rinse function can add 1, 2, 3 or 4 rinses depending on the machine specs. They do vary quite a bit but one of the big complaints we get is poor wash results using the quick wash function on many brands but then quick washes are not intended for normally soiled clothes, regardless of what the sales blurb tells you.

HTH

K.

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