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Re: You’ve Been Moderated!
This post in the General Trade Forum is by Washdoctor and at the time of posting it was being held for moderator approval.
I have refused to approve it.
I am ladies and gents totally sick and tired of Washdoctor posting this hatred and crap which once again comes on here in the early hours of the morning most likely after after two or three sherbets too many. His only purpose in posting is to try to discredit Ken and the WTA. He is one bitter man!
Well we can all start slinging the mud, and in Ade’s case just look at his background, Beech Appliances Ltd, went bust, the phoenix of that, Appliance Care Wales Ltd went bust, now he is Adrian Welke t/as Appliance Care South Wales (and my information on that suggests its because of an insolvency service voluntary agreement for a directors ban).
He was removed from the WTA for non payment of his subscriptions for two years, fact. He was the only member of the WTA whom claimed expenses and more, (he requested and received a £2k laptop computer which he agreed to contribute £900 for but to date never has). Fact
He expected to use the WTA to further his own FME business but they stood up to him. Fact
He continues to show himself as a member of his own FME venture, of which the criteria is to be a member of either DASA or the WTA, which he knowingly is not. Fact
I can provide evidence of his carrying out work on gas appliances when he is not registered with Gas Safe. Fact
All of this is provable, look at companies house for confirmation, look at his websites to see the gas safe logo and a purported membership number which when checked at Gas Safe does exist. look at the FME website and ask for an engineer in CF31 to see whom comes up. Look at his postings confirming he is not a member of DASA (0800 Thread) and more recently the WTA thread.
With all this, it is clear to see AW has lost the plot and I personally think he is a cowboy operator in this industry.
As I said earlier, I am sick and tired of his ramblings, insults and deliberate confrontation, he adds no benefit whatsoever to this site.
I know Ken will resist it, but I am going to ask you my fellow moderators to back me on this and I formally ask Ken to delete Washdoctors access to this site, for the benefit of all concerned.
Jackal
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Before I type… This is for the purpose of Kenneth Watt. Can I clarify that the post below is made by Adrian Welke, (washdoctor) Proprietor of Appliance Care, South Wales. The post below is from myself, speaking on behalf of myself, not on behalf of any other business that I’m involved in (So no need to contact any other business I’m involved in showing them copied & Pasted comments from me to you in a closed Trade Forum)
Is the WTA just UK Whitegoods Ltd in disguise?
Why would that be the case? What’s the purpose?
Ok… The evening before the WTA was formed, a UK Whitegoods Ltd Director approached me and said words to the effect of:
“Hey Ade, we’re setting up a new Trade Association and we want you to be a part of it”. Me being in ‘Nappies’ so to speak in this industry was mighty pleased that someone had ‘Noticed’ me.
The next evening, (This dates back to Sibson 2007), with Kenneth Watt & Lawrence Carey heading the table, the WTA was formed. This was done after several beers and among friends. I speak for myself here, but I went along with it as they knew more than ‘lil’olde me… So hey… I’ll keep in with them!
Anyway… The WTA set off to look after the ‘Independent’ Trade.
All Happy days
Then… At a meeting in London at the OFT that Kenneth & Myself attended (For the approval of the OFT), Kenneth, whilst making his usual ‘Jibber Jabber’ speeches let something slip. UK Whitegoods Ltd were previously denied OFT Approval because they were a Ltd Company. I of course (Being ‘lil’ olde me) didn’t cotton on to anything at this point, I mean come on… Ade, a Welsh bloke from Cardiff in the OFT with Kenneth Watt, Director of UK Whitegoods Ltd… TBH, I was out of my depth…!
Anyways, we took advice from the OFT and off I went to compose a COP for the WTA. I completed the COP (As it is on the WTA Website now) and submitted that to Kenneth Watt for approval. Again, another trip to the OFT. This time, Lawrence Carey attended too, as it seemed that they were listening and had acknowledged the COP I had presented. Again, we left with advice and I followed their advice to ‘Official Application’ Stage.
So… Months later, I get an email from the OFT stating that the COP had passed pre application assessment and had been recommended for formal approval. YEY! At last!!!!
Next WTA Meeting…! We were all upstairs, drinking beer & celebrating the first WTA Meeting that had been so far the best, when someone said… “Can we congratulate Ade on the COP progression”… Everyone cheered, but then… The very same Director that ‘Head Hunted’ me at Sibson in 2007 kinda lost the plot! He sat there and reminded everyone that it was UK Whitegoods that had been driving the COP and we should never forget it…! That was the first time I thought ‘Uh Oh’…!
After the above event, I questioned Lawrence Carey (WTA Chairman) about the connection between the WTA & UK Whitegoods Ltd. As I was prepared to give up my time & effort for a new TA, but not for something that was for the benefit of Kenneth Watt. Lawrence assured me that this link would be broken and the WTA would be a complete, stand alone TA. I was happy with that! (Smile). At the same meeting, The WTA agree to buy me a MacBook Pro to the cost of £1800. I agreed to pay half. Lawrence had a MacBook Pro bought for him too, but I don’t know the details of any repayment in his instance. (We’ll come back to this later).
I’m going to miss out on lots of minor stuff here as the thread will take 3 months to read, instead of 2 weeks!
We get to 2010. The WTA Team meet at Kens UK Whitegoods Ltd base and we start work on the WTA Website re-design. Since the WTA Website had this really good function that enabled members to be seen online, I put it to the whole Team that the WTA spend some money on advertising the WTA Website. Initially, the WTA Team were behind the idea, until Kenneth Watt jumped in and said no! He said it would cost at least 5K Per Month to even get an impression on the web, so we put it to bed as a no. However… I couldn’t understand this…! So I left his office thinking ‘How do we get to a level where DA Repairers can be seen online’? ‘How can we do something so the members on the WTA Website are not just there to rub DASAs nose in the fact the WTA have more members than them? (That’s for another thread)!
I then thought of developing a website, that could include other Trades. After all, if Ken is right, we need to generate enough ‘Spending Power’ as he put it to get a presence on the web. So I thought of FindMyEngineer! I rang Lawrence and immediately told him of my idea. He seemed very keen, then I rang Ken. He said ‘Forget it’. It wont work…! Then Lawrence changed the tune too! Again, I couldn’t get my head around it so I decided to go it alone.
2011… I plan to launch a website that is designed to give people like us more of a chance to be found online. I inform Lawrence of this and requested that I present it to the WTA on the night before the WTA Meeting to WTA Team Members. The ‘Presentation’ (If you can call it that) was a disaster! Nobody listened, nobody cared. I left the room while the WTA Team discussed, then came back in to a speech from Lawrence saying how me being involved in FME and on the WTA Council might create a ‘Conflict of Interest’. Ok… Now I’m fuming…! A ‘Conflict of Interest’? HUH??? We have a Director of UK Whitegoods Ltd on the Team, and that doesn’t be seen as a ‘Conflict of Interest’? We have another Director of UK Whitegoods Ltd losing the plot as per above over the COP… That doesn’t create a ‘Conflict of Interest’? Anyway…
I accept the choices & go home. I then wanted to ‘FORMALLY’ question Kenneth Watt regarding his ‘Influence’ in the WTA. The conversation got ‘Heated’ shall we say and Kenneth Watt, threatened to withdraw all resources from the WTA. We quickly (Me included) backed down, apologised and we left it as that.
Later in 2011, I launched FME. I asked the WTA permission to start a thread in the WTA Forums and they said yes! So I did.
So, a Year on… 2012. Ken has changed UK Whitegoods ‘Search@’ to ‘FindAnEngineer’ and we’re all rocking up to the Feb Meeting. What a meeting that was a? The best yet!!!!!!!!! We all leave incredibly happy!Then we get home to be re-aquatinted with DrDill in the FME Thread in the WTA Forums. The thread had been trouble free for over a year, now it’s looking like a ‘Bitch-Fight’! I was instructed by the WTA Team (Ken & Lawrence), not to reply as he clearly wanted a debate and I’d fuel his fire.
I ‘Obeyed’ this, until Sat 17th March! I’d been out for the Rugby (We won the Grandslam, yes I’m Welsh) and had got home to see the bullshit that was occurring in what I thought was my thread. I then disobeyed Kenneth. I replied…! OH MY GOD. Yep… I’m telling you, I replied…! I replied to DrDill!
The next thing I know, it’s 00.50 and I have an email from Kenneth Watt saying he’s deleted my post and I’m to stop being a f***ing muppett…?! (I since sent my original post to DrDill and even he agreed it shouldn’t have been deleted) So I TXT Kenneth Watt on ‘Whatsapp’ (iPhone4 App) and we spent an hour or so slagging each other off and calling each other names. Haha…! Haha…! Stop being a silly f***er & go to bed, speak tomorrow…! That’s what I thought anyway…! Untill………
I wake to an email from Kenneth Watt sent to the WTA Council stating that he gives notice (For the 2nd time) to withdraw ALL resources from the WTA, including web hosting, Forum hosting & ‘Accounting’ etc
I then get a reply from the WTA Chairman stating that without UK Whitegoods Ltd resources, he can’t see the WTA as ‘Viable’ (Go on Lawrence, I dare you to contest that statement). I then see emails from another Team member stating ‘I think we should ask for Ades ‘resignation’. Then another that questions ‘Who is more important’…! Ok, so now I’m mad… What has mine & Kenneth Watts private argument got to do with the WTA??? Oh yeah… It’s about ‘Power’. I pi55ed him off, so now he has to throw his hand. So he aims his hand at the WTA………………!
I resign. I do NOT want to be a part of ANYTHING that is run or ‘Controlled’ by Kenneth Watt. The simple FACT that he withdrew all resources from the WTA and then the Chairman is questioning its ‘Viability’ confirmed to me that the WTA is NOT an Independent Trade Association.
Further from that, Kenneth & I argue further. I post a truth in the General Forum, that’s met with aggression and then I’m ‘Moderated’. Which basically means that I can not post in my own words. I have to edit my posts until they are deemed fit to post as per Kenneth Watts opinion.
Then…..! Yes there is a ‘Then’…!
Kenneth Watt then emails my partner in FME with ‘Cut n Pasted’ comments that I made to him in the Trade Forums asking for FMEs comments on one of its Directors ‘Acting’ like this as he was going to publish a News Article & contact other Trade Associations. Kenneth Watt didn’t post the whole thread in the email, just my ‘Select’ Comments. After clarification, it was confirmed that FME has never posted in UKW Forums as a Company, nor has ever posted to him personally and the matter went quiet.
We come back to the £1800 Laptop that the WTA paid for (Your Money). I emailed Kenneth in 2010 shortly after receiving the Laptop clearly requesting that the WTA Invoice me for my half. (See below). No Invoice from the WTA arrived.
However, I received an Invoice from UK Whitegoods Ltd for £900. I questioned this and was told by Kenneth Watt ‘I’ll get Tracey to sort it’. That’s it. No more said on the matter… UNTILL….I stood down, argued with Kenneth Watt and then was sent a demand by Kenneth Watt threatening me with a Statutory Demand issued upon myself personally from UK Whitegoods Ltd & My personal Bankruptcy. This was his way of handing ‘Power’ down on those below him. I replied accordingly indicating that he had his facts wrong and that I would seek Legal advice and get back to him. I did NOT owe UKW £900 etc but he still continued to demand his way (As Image below). However, in this instance, he obviously doesn’t understand the difference between the WTA (Whitegoods Trade Association) and UK Whitegoods Ltd.
These are brief summaries of SOME of my experiences whilst a Team Member of the WTA.On this note, I ask you… Is the WTA Independent? Or is it Kenneth Watt / UK Whitegoods Ltd in disguise?
Ade.
Removal Of Adrian Welke
As some of you know I am a Freemason and in the Masonic world that the be a valid proposition with a valid second and would normally be carried.
Somebody PLEASE hit the delete user key over his name.
Being serious, if we didn’t know him and he was a new poster we would have done it just after his first or second rant. I don’t see the difference TBH,
Jackal
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Compressor choice
It refers to the power of the compressor similar to the size in CC of a car engine, I think.
No doubt R600 whose the expert will confirm shortly.
Jackal
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Writing to the customer and telling them you are going to take them to Court unless they pay up is perfectly correct and is known as a LBA (letter before action). indeed this is positively encouraged and aids you with the prosecution.
It’s the sending of a copy of the unsealed court summons that’s the issue, that’s all.
A defendant whom doesn’t understand the form may not know the summons is invalid without a Court Seal AND being posted by the Courts to make it valid.
Jackal
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Indeed but the completion of Court Documents sent to the customer without the Courts permission is considered harassment.
County Court Procedure CPR 41.3 refers and instructs judges to treat such instances brought before it with due contempt (in other words side with the defendant).
I refer you to London & Scottish Bank plc v Staffordshire Trading Standards (2006) wherein LSB used the same tactic to effectively threaten its customers whom were in default.
The Court found the threat of sending a copy of a unsealed Court Summons to be a threatening nature and abuse of process tantamount to demanding money with menaces. A £5k fine per instance soon stopped them as they went bust.
Ask yourself this, with so many unscrupulous debt collection agencies in existence out there, why don’t they employ this tactic?
It’s your business so you do what you want but as someone whom actually spends a considerable amount in Court defending others where this occurs, I know from experience that having such a threat for the Courts to see provides an almost guaranteed defence to the claim
Jackal
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stevebunyan wrote:I fill in a copy of the county court form and send them a copy with a covering letter giving them 7 days to pay up. Often does the trick.
I wouldn’t, it can be seen as intimidation and the Courts take a very very dim view of such practise.
Either issue the Court summons or dont.
Personally, I would via money claim on line, it will cost £25.00 and if you win you get it added to the amount owed. The number of customers whom think your bluffing so do nothing until the summons hits the mat is amazing, then suddenly they want to talk.
Jackal
Re: You’ve Been Moderated!
I have been asked by Martin to remove his posting in relation to the Chairmans Statement on the Whitegoods Trade Association Thread.
The contents of the post are:-
Quote Martin:-
Please and with the greatest of respect to you Lawrence, I cannot understand the purpose or nature of your “Chairman statement” here?
Much of this doesn’t entirely add up in all honesty, first we have Adrian throwing his toys out of the pram over DrDill’s persistance over his FME involvement. Then Adrian pops off at Ken with expletives flying with his resignation from WTA. Adrian then continues to kick off, is scrubbed off the WTA list and is no longer a moderator. Now to this very day continues in requesting a “statement” for whatever reason best part of all of us here in the WTA have no clue why?
I have complied with Martins request. 😀
Just posting up so you guys know, the original poster requested it to be removed.
Regards
Jackal
Baumatic fan oven element?
Jim
I have this gen item in stock,
PM me your address and I will post it you Monday.
Jackal
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You’ve Been Moderated!
No luck needed it was an easy win.
It never ceases to amaze me how those supposed experts, don’t actually understand the real intimate details of the law, but hey that’s their problem.
All I know is my friend has gone home to his wife happy he has a roof over his head and a workable way forward to allow him to stay there and enjoy a bit of life, and that is the pleasure thrill I seek in helping.
Carl
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fault code guide
The cold water should sort out the tightness!!!
Good luck in June
Jackal
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You’ve Been Moderated!
Jim your talking a sensible and reasoned point that will be lost on the individual concerned until he sobers up again.
I am sorry but all I see is we appear to be back to a late night rant of drivel which turns into insults and repetitive argument on the same point over and over again.
It is fast getting to the point where I am going to put a request to all the moderators that we request he be banned from the site altogether as he is now simply just a destructive poster IMHO.
I am away to bed now guys, I have Court to attend tomorrow to stop a friends eviction hopefully and need my beauty sleep.
Best regards to you all
Jackal
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You’ve Been Moderated!
Thanks Jim
I don’t normally use the Mac / PC for access to this site as I find it easier to use tapatalk on my iPhone.
On the iPhone it doesn’t give me the logs under the moderation tab so I thought I was missing something.
You can tell I don’t much moderating can’t you!
Thanks again
Carl
