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Re: DASA meeting
Therein lies the rub Sean, you can’t tell anyone due to NESN’s gagging order. In effect Kevin is silenced from talking about the matter under the terms of the court order so we can’t go blabbing it as there’s only one place that it could have come from.
There has been no comments made on UKW that have led to anyone being sued and I hope there never will be.
I agree with Kevin, it’s best left for now under wraps and let’s all just move on but not forget the lessons that have been learned.
What we did learn later, between Kev and I was who the person was that leaked the letter to NESN that instigated the action and, thanks to a little digging by Dave, we had it confirmed 100{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d}. We know who the rat is.
That whole NESN saga actually taught us a hell of a lot on who to and not to trust so it wasn’t all bad in the end. And now, when we see some of the comments and antics that some of them get up to it really does make us laugh at times.
But as I said, let’s just move on as there’s little point in dwelling on past events and how it might have turned out and I am pissed off that we can’t tell the tale to all but heh, that’s life, you don’t always get what you want.
But Kev, I’ll still be having the 3.0. 😆
K.
Re: Fleet Policy – Low Cost Vans
Okay so do you want me to look at a deal that offers multiple brands? You won’t save just as much but it should still offer a considerable amount off as well as special finance rates on vehicles.
For commercials I would have to agree that right now, Renault seem the best in the area and currently leading the field on costs as well as what you get for the money up front in the van. Also remember that they manufacture the Traffic and badge it up for Vauxhall as well. 😕
Fiat are out, crap range.
VW and Merc I think would be too rich for a lot of people and they ain’t cheap to buy or service (IMO, no offence Kev but we all know you’re a snob :lol:) so they’re out.
Vauxhall, well if you want anything bigger than an Astra you may as well just save a few bob and get one direct from Renault! 😆
Ford, still a contender despite my grave reservations (bad experiences with Ford and their crap dealers) as the Connect seems a popular choice as well as not a bad van from what I can gather but I think Renaut pip them on price.
Let’s face it you can’t buy a bad vehicle these days, they are only really seperated by degrees of good and cost along with who’s prepared to do a deal.
Any more comments and any more that want to look into this?
K.
Well the email is away that may set this into motion. I don’t mess around Martin, if it’s doable I’ll simply get it done! And if the UK manufacturers loose sales to someone in France then tough in my book, they should have got their head out their collective butts and addressed the problem long ago.
AGORA covers…
BRANDT
B/S/H/
ELECTROLUX France
FAGOR France
FAGOR España
GIAS Service
MERLONI
MIELE
PHILIPS APPAREILS DOMESTIQUES
PODIUM SOGEDIS
GROUPE SEB
WHIRLPOOLNot a bad start if all the French stuff is available in English and applies for UK models, which I’m pretty sure it will as it looks to be a dump for all the information that was on CD/DVD.
AGORA can be accessed without each manufacturers permission apparently so I’ve asked for pricing etc if we do this en masse. However, looking at the pricing that is there I reckon we could get access for a year for not a lot more than one of the CD’s for the above!
And there’s a bit there that we just don’t have access to at all at the moment. 😉
K.
Depends on the installation but the cooling fan running for up to an hour or so after use is not unheard of.
K.
I’m not familiar with that model off the top of my head but it looks like a standard oven, are you sure that the model number isn’t SE210X/1 as that makes more sense.
If it is then simply turning the main function control knob to the off position (“O”), normally pointing the knob straight up towards the worksurface, should switch it off.
If that is not working then you may well have a problem with the switch behind that and you’ll have to switch it off at the mains.
Hope that helps.
K.
Re: DASA meeting
And Jason you should know by nw that Kev is a typical Yorkshireman, if he thinks you’re a twat he’ll tell you that… straight! 😆
He tells me that all the time but I just ignore it or fire one back. 😉
I do think the old duffer has a point though in many ways, whilst neither I or he will shoot DASA down with that premise that they purport you’d better watch as we’re not the only ones that knows what went on. And we know that Kev got sued over the MFI thing, not the letter as there was fuck all JT could do about that in reality, he needed the MFI thing to make it stick as that was a technical breach of the contract. A contract which I will add, is still in force to this very day and the threat was levelled at NESN members in a recent network email I have a copy of, although veiled, it is still a threat.
You’ll note they didn’t try to get me on it? That’s because they breached the contract in the way I was dismissed and as such I was untouchable and I knew it.
What you may not know is that the gagging order was left in place AFTER Carol Madden took control of NESN and she would not recind it! A leopard doesn’t change its spots they say.
In essence it is my feeling that DASA should have either footed the bill for Kevin or at the very least made a substantial contribution towrds it as it was carrying out work on behalf of DASA that got him in the shit. And although I have never said anything about it, it’s just another classic example of DASA not backing up it’s members and being a spineless wimp of an organisation IMO. I also will probably never say anything about it, there’s no point as what’s done is done.
But do me a favour please and learn from it, understand why Kevin was pissed off by it and don’t repeat the error.
And with that in mind that’s what Kev is on about, the fact remains that due to the NESN contract, that it CAN happen again, who’s it to be the next time, you? All they need to do is take the hump over something you do and, bingo, you’re in the shite.
And that’s the point!
It was both my and Kevin’s hope that the whole debacle would have prevented someone else getting into hot water, but it hasn’t changed the map that much although they’d think fucking long and hard before doing it again to that level.
That’s why we’ve said bugger all about it, as well as to protect Kevin from any further legal action by NESN. AS, if I’d had my way, at the time I would have blown the whole thing wide open.
K.
Re: Technical/Spares Information
AGORA is at http://www.agoraplus.com/ and is the site that many manufacturers use to deliver spares and technical information. Without an account you will not get on there and it can be tailored for access to you and the brands that you wish to get information on. You will need to use Internet Explorer to view it though as no other browser is supported.
It could be a start.
K.
Re: Technical/Spares Information
Bloody hell, that got you all thinking! 😆
Chris, I doubt that there’s enough money there by a long way yet to pay for the likes of this but that’s not to say that it’s not worth looking into.
Martin I was thinking on buying the information legitimately and possibly the technical support as well. What it would cost us I’ve absolutely no idea but we’d have to do above board and legitimately.
Dave is correct and where what you meant last year, or at least alluded to, wouldn’t work because we were looking at this from a point of view entirely differently to now. We have to respect the copyright and we have to play by the rules here if we want the support from the manufacturers which, in all honesty, we need if we are to make this work.
The actual cost of the spares information is not that high and I think that the wiring information etc. is tacked on there just to dangle a carrot and add a little value in buying it. I mean let’s face it, they buggers make enough off the spares to hand out the information like sweeties for free just to sell the parts. They don’t because they are well aware that mugs like us will pay for it.
So, I don’t think that we should have to pay for the information but that’s not the reality of the situation. But what I do think is that if we did a deal with a few of them that we could gain access to more technical support than is currently available. I don’t know if we can pull it off, but I do think that it may be worth trying.
Bryan, you are absolutely correct but this is something (AGAIN!) that’s never ever been attempted before. Whilst we could purchase the information and probably will anyway at some point, we still have to respect the copyright or they’d sue our arse off and some people would just love me to give them the excuse to do just that. So caution is required in just how this is done.
But remember we do have the likes of AGORA out there and, as yet, I’ve not spoken to them to see just what the access would cost to all the information there, but that does cover a huge amount of appliances. Even getting everyone access to that or the UK one just as a start will show that we’re serious and that we’ll pay for the info if it is of value to us.
Worth a thought and batting about a bit.
K.
Dave should be able to check that for you in the morning MM or Woz will know but you’ll likely not see him on till Monday.
K.
Re: hotpoint wm71 dies
Eh? You mean it gets through the program, enters the rinse phase and does one rinse then fails? Or does it fail on the first rinse?
If so that’s a new one on me for any machine unless HP have done something odd with the fill levels on rinse, which I doubt as they’re not exactly the hardest things in the world to suss out until they started firing in the electronic junk into them.
I really should get the tech info for the newer Hotpoints. I always reffered to them as, “washers designed by Fisher Price” and now Merloni have them I’m not going to repeat the comments on the newer ones. 😆
K.
Re: Fleet Policy – Low Cost Vans
Dunno I only run one Kangoo now and a Scenic as vehicles, both have been fine bar a dodgy wiper motor on the Kangoo that was replaced under warranty. Mind you, if the last driver had stopped hitting other things on the road it’s life would have been easier! But all told the Kangoo has been excellent, very little went wrong with the three we’ve had, costs were very low on servicing and the £6.5K to buy you just can’t argue with. They also seem to return 35mpg plus even when hammered.
I have no doubt whatsoever that teh Merc is a good van, but it is also not at all cheap up front. Running costs I would tend to agree are probably much of a muchness in the class, but I do not run a van that size as I have no need to and therefore no need for the additional expense either.
Ford, well it’s a pet hate really and the trade don’t like them much either. That said I am informed that many people like the Connect.
Horses for courses really and if a multi-brand deal is what is required I may just have the ability to come up trumps there as some people here have already found out. 😉
K.
Re: Fleet Policy – Low Cost Vans
Hence the reason I didn’t mention them, Peugeot or Ford.
Citreon get slated for spares and reliability.
Peugeot are known to the salesmen as “boomerangs” especially the 309.
Ford, well even the guys that sell them ain’t keen on driving them.
Of course each to their own but I’ll go with the people in the trade thanks as, given that my other half works for a company that sells one or two cars a year I’ll trust them. 😉
You can of course, like any machine, have troubles but that’s just the chance you take. What I will say is that when you do a deal like this you tend to recieve attention pretty damned fast as they really do not want to loose that kind of business. Oh and the servicing costs usually drop as well.
Kev, Merc is too rich methinks the closest you’d get is VW and Audi don’t do vans so just don’t go there eh? 😆
K.
