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Re: bosch sgs5312 poor wash pressure
S’ok Martin I know what the engineer in question is on about.
What he’s reffering to is the Finish Dishasher Cleaner bottle that you insert upside down in the cutlery basket, it has a “wax” release on it and empties when the dishwasher hits ~65oC. It will flush the system and you should use one on an empty cycle about once every six months or so. It does reduce blockage problems and can cure some, I know I’ve used it. 😉
I would also say that a good quality detergent, salt (if required) and rinse aid is essential for good wash results and there’s loads to choose from but personally I’d go with Finish, Sun or Fairy powder not tablets, seen too many problems with them and with powder you control the dosage, not the manufacturer.
Not being familiar with that machine I can’t comment on whether or not it needs taking apart to clear it, it may well do, but the engineer’s suggestion is not as crazy as it may first appear.
K.
No problem, we’l have you an answer in the mornign on that, should be easily doable with 5 days or so even as a special order. MFI are pretty good all things considered.
K.
If you pull down the oven door and have a look there should be a rating plate there that will give you the full model number and serial number. It’s around the edge of the cavity or the actual door itself usually.
K.
I didn’t know that Mark.
What I can’t get over is the failure rate, I mean that’s just unreal.
So I did some digging about to see what I could turn up, so I got a hold of someone from British Gas and it turns out that they ditched Haier due to the inordinate amount of recalls on them and the high failure rate. The failure rate has been unofficially confirmed to me on the strenghth of that.
Now, the scary thing is that I happen to know that there’s one or two brands/manufacturers looking to bring these things in due to the low cost. Just watch out for the things and ensure you’re not picking up the tab for so-called “recalls”. 😉
K.
Hygena, Diplomat, Pheonix and a few other stealth ones that have crept in of late as well as Haier itself of course.
K.
At last! I can help Penguin! 😆
Thanks, the tech ref. No. made that an easy one. 😉
The control card is 55X7766 price code L6 and is not in stock with no ETA on it, the price should be about the £80ish mark but that’s a guess from memory.
It only shows the one card behind the facia split in two, but it comes as one unit.
K.
Hi Kyler,
Yes you can indeed get a new glass, Dave or I will get back to you in the morning with a price etc.
However, we may need the full model number, including the two digits that you’ve starred out. 😕
K.
Re: Ready or not?
Sean, one email.
That’s all it took to have ou plight with CORGI circulated around the upper echelons within the Conservative Party, just one small email.
e-Jobs and ACH are outwith our control as were not paying for it up front, it’s favour work. e-Jobs is ready to be installed but it’s a manual process and not fast entering in the database tables and we need info on it to install it that we haven’t got as yet. I had hoped it would have been there on Sunday but Calum is deperately ill and that halted progress for a bit.
ACH will come, but let’s sort e-Jobs first.
There is an air of proffesionalism on the site, I don’t think anyone would deny that, so where’s the need for change? In fact many of the messages praising UKW and it’s members are there for all to see, Martin has had loads from the public as have others. Manufacturers et all will see that you know, they see what we’re doing for the public and the public image of the trade and, by default to a degree, for them as well.
It’s easy to say it’s slagging people off, but you know what… I got a big Jiffy stuffed with Brandt tech info this morning that I’ve been whining about, so stuff it, the tactic obviously works. I’ve asked before and gotten sod all, I gob off on UKW and lo and behold it magically appears. You will also note that I do not word very much as a slagging, there’s no need, just point out the facts as that’s all it takes.
So I guess that the time that I spent contacting You & Yours, government contacts and other nefarious routes about CORGI were all wasted then were they? The point of that is that I will often just go and get the job done, I don’t need or want the glory of saying “look what I did”, there’s no call for it, just move on to the next challenge and get that done as well.
Being corporate is what it’s all about and that is what’s happening but I see no call to appear as a faceless corporation, that would be entirely self-defeating and not what UKW is about or what it was set up to be. I think we have to evolve at our own pace and snatch every opportunity that presents itself and hang on for dear life as it could well end up being one hell of a ride.
K.
Re: DASA!
My apologies Sean, I got distracted this mornign whilst posting and missed your post.
You are correct UKW will never, ever, be a trade association, full stop, end of story, the fat lady has sung the last note on that count. That does not mean to say it cannot perform some of the tasks of one though by any stretch and, UKW is a flexible thing that can change directions on a dime, to steal a Yank phrase.
I am already speaking and have spoken to government.
There is no real need for a DTI/OFT recogonised COP other than the kudos in having one as, unless it is widely promoted and publicised, the customers are unaware of it and therefore will not know WTF it is. That is the case currently with the both DASA and UKW.
There’s no way I’d have the political situation that you have within DASA, there’s better ways outside the traditional route to do that and provide more safety as well. It’s called compartmentalisation, used by terrorists but hey, they have to get something right. 😉
You are correct, this is a limited company and as such we cannot become a trade association and anyway, it would put the skids under too many projects to go down that route and you’d just end up in the same old situation.
Actually, just to correct you on one point there, UKW was approached by DASA, not the other way about. It was agreed that both working together was the best course forward by all and I still remember the roasting we got at the council meeting I was asked to attend in September of 2003 from some in DASA. This came about because I agreed to help Kevin set up the MFI thing for DASA members.
It is entirely unfair to paint UKW as the big bad wolf here as we’ve done nothing but try to help DASA through constructive critisism, I had the logo done, we did the last Orbit basically, we’ve promoted DASA meetings, we’ve promoted DASA membership and I’ve splashed DASA all over the front page of UKW… all for nothing in return! Just please remember that when you all start having a go. All we’ve done is to push DASA into action and I’ll keep pushing, either it evolves or dies, it really is that simple.
I know you don’t like anyone having a dig at DASA but really that’s people telling you what’s wrong, why they’re not happy with it etc. etc., rather than try to defend it why not do something about it? I know that some things have been done, but it has to be aired, not kept behind locked doors and there has to be progress being seen to be made, otherwise what is the impression that’s given?
You’re not unpolular Del, you still buy a round! 😆
Re-forming DASA, now there’s an interesting proposition Kev.
K.
No offence taken and none intended either, reasoned debate is better than knee-jerk reactions. It was merely the tone that made it out that way I suppose.
Hopefully some things are a little clearer now.
K.
Re: Ready or not?
Martin wrote:We are all fully aware of the story behind the creation of UKW I trust? If not, no matter ’cos it has fuck all to do with its future, so I suggest we look forward rather than back from now on! 8)
UKW has always looked forward because, essentially, I drive it and I look to the future but am mindful of the past, an important point that should not be forgotten.
Martin wrote:Today at least the core and therefore the driving current force to see this forward is simply us (Ken, Dave, Kevin, Sean, Chris and yours truly) Service Engineers with perhaps more brawn than brains, skilled with our hands but a bit loose up top. Not a great formula for creating what could be the nucleus of the independent Whitegoods trade per se I’m sure you will agree? BUT that’s us* and we should try our best and if it all goes tits up, at least we tried eh?
Are you trying to insinuate that I’m a mental case, because that’s what I read in that? I might not be the brightest guy on the planet, but I ain’t the dumbest either.
What you’re missing in that is that, whilst there is a collective of ideas and a vast pool of knowledge Martin I still have to oversee a lot of this, push things, instigate discussions and thought and I don’t see anything wrong to be fixing?
What is it exactly that you’re frustrated about?
Martin wrote: :oops:(*or me at least, if you feel insulted by the analogy, I apologise) 😳
Then why use it?
Martin wrote:The sad part about this ‘Message Board’ type web site is overall control over the ‘content’ of postings. Some really good stuff mixed in with a whole mess of crap, enough to put off so many serious contributors and therefore regarded by the trade on the whole as just a novelty web site to view when the mood takes. Nonetheless and in spite of that negative comment, it has, can and will be (given time to develop) the number one, bang up to date, reference tool that ‘talks back to you with answers! For the trade AND public alike. 😀
No, no, no! You are missing the whole reason that UKW has evolved the way it has done. There is a very strong social and free post attitude to teh whole thing and that encourages many people TO post as it’s a more casual atmosphere, therefore less pressure on getting the p’s and q’s right. To go down that path would lead to the demise of it quite frankly.
If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it!
I don’t think that anyone serious about contributing would be put off at all due to the above, I feel that’s a falicy to even think that.
Martin wrote:We need now, more than ever before, to close ranks, to utilise ours thoughts and skills ever more closely to project a squeaky clean image to all quarters. To speak with one united, well informed voice, project a well managed team of experts to all out there that visit our site. In order this be achieved I propose the following: –
See, political correctness creeps in and I for one won’t have it, so no!
It’s fair enough to speak with one voice, I’ve no truck with that at all but these guys are engineers, not bloody politicians and to expect them to act as such is asking too much. Frankly, it won’t happen.
The site is incredibly well managed as it stands, one of the best on the internet in fact, one of the best run boards that I’ve ever seen and others have commented likewise. Why? Because the people running it care passionately about the site and the subjects, that’s why. As well as having the freedom to voice their own opinion.
Martin wrote:1). Refrain from berating DASA and its Committee and sit back and wait to see what develops. Constant and very often childish bickering on that subject only reflects badly on us as a whole, likened in my opinion little better than graffiti on a the wall of a public loo. Refrain also from replying to postings with ‘one liners’ such as :rotfl: “LMFAO” :rotfl: and such like. Just let others do that but not us, no matter how tempting and innocent the intention, we should from now on, PACK IT IN 😡 Leave it to the private forums by all means but not where we are likely to compromise our position in the face of those that may wish to criticise us!
DASA hasn’t been openly discussed in a poor light for some time. It’s a passionate subject that, form the outside may well look that way. The whole point of it is to push DASA into either doing what the hell it should have been doing a long time ago or to pack up and go home.
Either way, I care not. All I want is an end to it.
The one liners are a part of the social aspect of UKW and I see absolutely no need to change that. It gives the impression of a warm and open site that people can enjoy and have a laugh with as well as being deadly serious when required. Such things are absolutely vital within a community, which is what UKW has become. There is no way I’m going to jeapordise that air. So again, no, I will not pack it in and I don’t expect anyone else to do so either.
There is a huge element of fun on UKW and that’s a huge part of it’s appeal, including to me, do you really think that being a killjoy is going to win over people?
Martin wrote:2). Important issues should be discussed in this forum first and a unless agreed upon, should not be made public by any individual. E.g. “What to do with Subscribers Cash?” is not something to be dealt with lightly. In fact I dubbed that topic “Free Booze Flight Fiasco!” After all we have done to recruit members, we don’t know what to do with their money or where best to put it other than behind the bar, is a bloody travesty I reckon.
RUBBISH!
I can discuss pretty much what I want when I want, I’m old enough and responsible enough to gauge what is right for public or private consumption and I need seek no council if that is my wish. There are instances where that is desirable, this is not one of them.
You may see that as a travesty, but it made you bloody well think! If you feel so strongly about such things then get there first. Frankly I don’t know what we should be doing with the subscribers money but, as was said, it’s the subscriber’s money and not UKW’s money, what is done with it is up to the subscribers as a whole, not some elitist group in here. We have not the right to impose on that and I will defend that position till they hammer in the nails.
The point was to get some input on what we should be doing, you chose not to offer any suggestions other than having Kevin bend my ear about your free flight fiasco. If you want to have a go then feel free to do so, that’s why it was posted and I’m big and ugly enough to take a bit of stick, but I give as good as I get.
So, the question remains, what do we do with the loot?
Martin wrote:3). Our next meeting instead of a repeat of the last two, should have a more specific agenda. Not like setting a date first then trying to find some subject matter and perhaps a few speakers to fill in the day! Find out a need first, then formulate a possible solution before adding it to the subject matter for discussion at the meeting. What is the point of putting, say for example, CORGI on the agenda, when we call do sod all about it anyway?
We/I learn.
The next meeting has a few surprises in store that you don’t know about, I just need it all confirmed first.
As for CORGI, it’s an attitude like that that will get nothing done about it!
Again, you don’t know the half of what’s going on and shooting off on one Martin. MFI have had a meeting with CORGI partly as a result of that meeting and there is other stuff in the works too, including me being in direct contact with one of the major political parties.
Martin wrote:4). Capturing greater public attention must be our main aim, and it is going well so far I’m sure we are all agreed on that. BUT unless we can appeal to a wider spectrum of readers with a greater subject matter, we will still be just helping out someone year in year out with their errant Diplomat dishwasher. What we need to get is more product reviews on current appliances for a start, although that isn‘t so easy unless you have access to these from your own showroom. I would love to go into Currys with my toolbox and take them apart but I won’t see that beast for 2 or 3 years when the warranty runs out.
I would not disagree with that at all.
But media attention is also worth chasing, something you can see is starting to bear fruit.
Martin wrote:5). We need to sell ourselves to the trade in general through direct advertising. There is little point in waiting for them to come to us, although that has been the reliance so far, it is painfully slow nevertheless. Injecting some of that Subscriber cash into an advert in ERT is one idea, fine. There are others out there I am sure worth contacting directly, better still if we could get the UKW logo on a packet of Ariel coupled with someone making an appearance on ITV’s This Morning Show for a little chat with Fern Britten!
FFS, give me a chance! I have a business to run as well you know to put food on the table and that’s a full time job itself! Right now I’m working about 14 hours a day or more just to keep all this on the road.
Have you any idea what the cost of advertising is on a national basis? Why should we pay for it if we can get it for free? Thus far there’s about a grand in the kitty, that won’t even look at many an advert!
We will get there Martin, but it’s not going to happen overnight you will just have to have a little faith and a dollup of patience on the side.
Martin wrote:6). Finally, Kevin’s idea of a Engineers Bible is still very much a great idea in spite of my pointing out the valuable nature of the Haynes books. I accept it does not cover everything but what the hell does these days short of buying every product service manual that is still in print. Those CD ROMs and DVD’s have got it covered anyway and is the way forward for the most part. However, our problem at this late stage is that whatever we put in type on the subject sooner or later will be deemed by some as ‘Breach of Copy write’ and we cannot go there. It will be extraordinarily difficult therefore for us to bridge that gap and set up a shortened publication full of the vital information without referring to any previous publication. I would like someone to explain to me again as to what specifically we can do in this area?
Big grey areas there, we’ll see.
On Mark Garner, there’s no issue with me, I agree.
Martin wrote:There are other points I could mention but I don’t want to put you all to sleep, I do hope none of you felt insulted, patronised or demeaned by my comments? I am just telling it as I see it that’s all guy’s. So at this point I will just hit the ‘Submit’ button and see what happens ❓
What happens is that you get told that you do not solely run UKW and that making demands is not the way to approach me at all. 😉
Be nice, you’ll get results.
Just tone it down and have a bit of patience Martin and remember that UKW has only been around for 18 months, it’s only been a business for 6, it’s still very, very young and some things could still kill it. Going at it full-on as an association as I get the feeling that you are suggesting is one way to kill it, as is the suggestion that we start charging for the use of UKW, it’s not gonna happen, full stop.
There are many other ways to achieve what we want, they just take time, but going at it head-on will only lead to a crash and we’ll be back where we all started, alienated and alone. I don’t intend seeing that happen.
Also bear in mind that you are totally unaware of many of the things that are happening behind the scenes to move the whole thing forward and, trust me, we have gotten the attention of some very serious people indeed within the industry. What we’re still fighting at the moment is the initial impression that many had that UKW was to become some kind of trade union, that’s what has gotten the manufacturer’s spooked, not the one-liners. Again, you’re not liable to know this as you’re not talking to manufacturers on a daily basis as I do.
We’re doing nothing wrong apart from not communicating enough and by that I mean the people that don’t post. But in any mailing list/forums that I’ve been involved in about 10-15{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} will talk/post on it and the rest just read. Don’t ask me why, it just is and that seems to be a more or less universal statistic.
There’s some more for you to go off and think about. 😆
K.
Yeah I was fishing for a general overview of what people’s thoughts were on the subject, but we can leave it for now if required.
K.
Re: Known Error Codes
Brandt/De Deitrich ceramic hobs, induction…
F0 CTN electro temp < ~5oC
F1 – F3 F1, front left cooking zone
F3, rear left cooking zoneF2 – F4 F2, front right cooking zone
F4, rear right cooking zoneF5 CTN electronic short circuited
F6 CTN electronic cut out
F7 CTN electronic> 70oC and elec .c> ~105oC
F8 Reversing of front and rear CT, test with maximum power
Re: DASA!
Let’s get this right since Mark, Jason, Sean, Phil and others have worked to try and fix what ails DASA…
None of us really want to see it die, we’re not here to try to kill off DASA. There’s no benefit in doing so for anyone really.
The problem is there’s nothing happening, or nothing happening that anyone can see. I dunno, I just thought I’d comment that nothing was happening.
K.
Re: UKW Meeting Sep 05
Okay, on the meeting thing…
How about we go for a meeting abroad, see what happens? It’s a cheap holiday with some friends and it involves no less time out the business. In fact I’d wager that the cost of it would be pretty much the same as holding a meeting in the UK as well as the travel costs since almost all of us are within striking distance of a low cost airline.
On the funding thing…
Good I’m glad it got a reaction.
In terms of promotion of UKW, this is happening but it takes time I’m afraid. But in the past three months we’ve had exposure for free in the Independent Electrical Retailer, ERT and The BBC. I’m going for, that’s not half bad for nothing but some effort on my part.
I’m busy this week with invoicing etc. or I’d be doing some more there to build on that, but I’ll get to it.
In the same way that you can do that for nothing and I’ve just proved that you can, there are a lot of other things that can be accomplished at little or no cost. In fact, some people might even be willing to pay us!
What I’m saying is that a lot of the stuff that you come up with I have already thought through and, in many cases, already taken action on or am in the process of doing so. With that in mind I see the subscriber cash as a slush fund to be used as we all see fit to use it and if you want an advert in ERT or whatever then so be it, I’ll just get on and get it done.
All I would say is, don’t forget about enjoying it as well.
K.
