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Re: Lee’s New Thread
Jackal wrote:Yea yea yea
Of the people, organisations and industry connections, they choose to consult you Lee, sadly I think you really are that delusional Lee.
Maybe that is your issue on this subject.
I would ask you to give some contacts details if the people within these manufacturers you claim are consulting with you so we can check out these stories you tell us Lee but you will never reveal them will you Lee, because they don’t exist in reality.
Sorry cannot, its all in my head.
Its easy to say but hard to prove.
Im not on here to prove anything, make up your own conclusions.
We work for many manufacturers at both the high end luxury market and cheap budget market, and none of them know what on earth you are going on about.
Prove it
You pathetic Lee just pathetic!
Bit harsh considering my comments are apparently groundless.
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Jackal wrote:I have no problems with training or qualifications within this industry, in fact those that actually know me know I am one if the first to promote it and encourage it.
I was one of the first to promote it and encourage a formal recognition of training when I was on the DASA council 20 plus years ago.
Cool.
The government don’t want it so won’t support it because unless it is compulsory it is too expensive to support and gives them no method of generating them an income;
The companies l consult too have meet with govt, recently.
Most manufacturers don’t want it so won’t support it because it means the cost of service will be higher to them;
The companies l consult with are interested.
The customer doesn’t want it so won’t support it because it will mean ultimately higher costs of running the machine for them.
See
With regards to discussion, then your idea of a discussion Lee is to voice your opinion and hope your voice is the loudest and when it isn’t, shout louder and louder until it is.
You offer little to nothing of further interest to any subject that you haven’t already forced on us before and go on and on and on like a jammed CD.
So get over it, move
You have had plenty to time to get something going, get those whom can influence the industry to listen but you have gotten absolutely no where and I suspect you never will; so you spend your time on here hijacking threads to spread your one sided personal propaganda because no one else is listening.
I consult and collate info, l have no interest in running training programs or a business involving training, the plan l mentioned is industry wide, involving the big boys.
I find your comments Lee insulting, insulting to those thousands of technicians/engineers or what ever term people want to use, who struggle to make a living in this industry doing a bloody good job each and every friggin day they go to work.
You insulted my mother had we been in a room you would not be writing here anymore.
You need to stop marking your walls with pee, stop getting personal and grow the f88 up.
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The above post has what to do with currys knowhow.
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Re: Lee’s New Thread
Acceptable Proof Of Domestic Appliance Trade Status
We often get some confusion over this so to clarify here’s a short list of the most common proofs that you are in the trade;
An email address which the domain corresponds to a trade company (Hotmail, AOL, Tiscalli etc. are not acceptable)
Scan of an appliance company IDScan of an appliance industry trade invoice with the company details as an account holder
Scan of an appliance manufacturer/retailer ID badge
Scan of an appliance industry training certification in the areas pertaining to appliance repairs
Ok. 😆
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Andy jones wrote:Personally I’d love to see some sort of regulation to the industry, the fact that any Tom dick or Harry can decide to start repairing machines is wrong IMO.
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HDThat thought is not unique.
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kwatt wrote:
lee8 wrote:
It is one of the requirements to gain access to trade access of this site.:shock:No, you are wrong.
K.
Sorry. I thought having been asked by UKW admin e mail a certificate from within our industry before being granted trade access was a requirement, another mistake l made then.
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Re: CURRYS KNOW HOW
Gazman1000 wrote:
You mean like Rolls Royce Aero Division, some old guy passing on his wise knowledge to the young apprentice learning his craft on products. It is the very best way to learn and for that reason the leading edge companies in engineering still do it and it takes years.
Totally agree, my comments are in regard our industry, not others.
Qualifications mean nothing if you do not understand how to apply the knowledge you have gained to pass an exam. After getting a qualification the real learning process can starts.
Never said differently, a cv speaks volumes, my banging on about qualifications related to school leavers as a starting point, not for some 40 something with yrs of experience.
To be honest to call anyone on our trade an engineer is an insult to those who really are apprentice trained engineers.
This trade at the very best should call them technicians none of us are engineers in the real meaning of the word.If you go through my history the people complaining about me are the ones who slagged me off for pointing this out.
You could train the village idiot to repair kitchen appliances, lets face it there are lots out there proving that point.
It is a long way from rocket science or any form of engineering, it is simple fault finding and replacing faulty parts. A basic knowledge of electrical safety is required that is about it.
City & Guilds and NVQ are all very basic exams after passing one it leaves you a million miles from a man with a single year of hands on experience in the field.Wont disagree with this, in fact, you’ve stated the same as me.
There are many though, as others have posted that cannot fault find basic issues, such as knowhow. In fact many in currys struggle to even get up in the morning.
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Gazman1000 wrote:
You mean like Rolls Royce Aero Division, some old guy passing on his wise knowledge to the young apprentice learning his craft on products. It is the very best way to learn and for that reason the leading edge companies in engineering still do it and it takes years.
Totally agree, my comments are in regard our industry, not others.
Qualifications mean nothing if you do not understand how to apply the knowledge you have gained to pass an exam. After getting a qualification the real learning process can starts.
Never said differently, a cv speaks volumes, my banging on about qualifications related to school leavers as a starting point, not for some 40 something with yrs of experience.
To be honest to call anyone on our trade an engineer is an insult to those who really are apprentice trained engineers.
This trade at the very best should call them technicians none of us are engineers in the real meaning of the word.If you go through my history the people complaining about me are the ones who slagged me off for pointing this out.
You could train the village idiot to repair kitchen appliances, lets face it there are lots out there proving that point.
It is a long way from rocket science or any form of engineering, it is simple fault finding and replacing faulty parts. A basic knowledge of electrical safety is required that is about it.
City & Guilds and NVQ are all very basic exams after passing one it leaves you a million miles from a man with a single year of hands on experience in the field.Wont disagree with this, in fact, you’ve stated the same as me.
There are many though, as others have posted that cannot fault find basic issues, such as knowhow. In fact many in currys struggle to even get up in the morning.
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Jackal wrote:
If you had a qualification you would be able to confirm it!
Jackal
It is one of the requirements to gain access to trade access of this site.:shock:
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Jackal appears to be sensitive when it comes to discussing training and qualifications and has a complete lack of understanding regarding the workings of a disscussion forum.
I believe with some passion that the future of the white goods repair industry lies with proffessionally trained qualified engineers to such a degree that both businesses such as KnowHow and independents can source a reliable workforce, after all we moan that cheap crap from china is unhealthy for the industry, yet the quality of the work force currently in the field there is an unhealthy percentage that is frankly just as bad, cheap and nasty.
WP’s source cheap and frankly in general incompetent engineers without much, if any backround checks or references.
l’d prefer middlemen and idiots be shown the door and then thrown through the window.
Maybe others prefer to see large companies suffer with complaints, poor reliability etc etc, feeds the ego, small minds and all that.
My working day moved on yrs ago from changing brushes on 10 yr old hotpoints for OAP’s, l dont give advice that the old pile of crap should be kept as “they dont make them like this anymore”. Its moved on now to coffee/espresso machines, blast chillers, vac packing, steamers, wine coolers, multi chill zone refrigeration and heat pump inverter tumble dryers etc etc.
So yeah l think mr and mrs smith who has paid several hundred for there product deserves someone capable of repairing it.
I dont belong to the same group of people that like to tinker with stuff in there sheds, that for me is not the way you get it sorted, l get enough calls from wives whos husbands believe that they can fix everything with a bit of time, the internet and a few tools, for me each trade has its skilled work force, gained experienced and is too some extent policed by there employers.
I dont fix my car, build my extension or plumb my boiler, for the simple reason you can spot an amatuer a mile off, for me the worse one are those that believe there good at it.
Maybe the industry will continue needing engineers, maybe the current situation wont get worse and wont be a factor in products being developed that remove the need for field engineers, one design criteria currently being developed is that possibility amongst others, but hell what do l no, im only in the 21st century and waffling on.
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Re: CURRYS KNOW HOW
Andy jones wrote:Don’t know if its just me as I’m fairly new to this forum but I’m sensing a bit of friction
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Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HDSomeone is a bit sensitive about qualifications and a basic understand of discussion forums.:lol:
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Re: CURRYS KNOW HOW
Well in the last two weeks I’ve had 8 that knowhow have written off. all put down to faulty compressors, only two were in fact compressors the rest they just got it wrong, It makes me wonder how many perfectly good appliances are getting written of by useless engineers that just don’t have a clue.
I do not buy the time constraint idea, how long does it take to find a fault if you know what you are doing.If you cannot find trained engineers, what else are you going to do.
Just backs up my previous comments regarding qualfications, l use the term qualifications because any form of training should be proveable, any idiot should realise that the first step in the 21st century is training/qualifications, experience is a by product of that first step.
After all we are in a technical industry, we are not shovelling coal from one pile to another.
The days of some old guy passing on his wise knowledge to the young apprentice learning his craft on products that havent evolved in decades past some yrs ago.
Time to embrace the future.:-P
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Jackal wrote:
lee8 wrote:
Jackal jackal jackal, really, the best u got.
Nope, but I was taught NEVER to argue with a fool as you will only bring me down to your level and beat me with your experience
Bye Bye
J
Maybe you should stop with the childish off topic remarks and keep to relevant info, l believe its called “leading by example”.
By the way, muppet avatar, oh the irony.:lol:
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Re: CURRYS KNOW HOW
You tell me what percentage of the work load, without numbers to compare, at best your using assumptions.
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