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Re: Taking the P
Maybe pass your experience to your local politician, the one that they definitely would not vote for.
Re: Microwave leakage testing
Name and shame please.
Not many brands engineers carry M/W leak testers.
Re: They started taking it apart
It won’t be long before someone (A Muppet) following instructions from a site gets killed or worse kills an innocent(Not a Muppet).
Then we can get back to normality where only rare people (Know it all Muppet’s)will dare to venture into the unknown, there far more proud and likely to purchase a replacement product than to admit defeat.
In this mad country made up of useless politicians and powerless regulations, we see daily qualified service trades people following the regulations and they are the ones the least likely to ignore them, whilst the regulations don’t enforce punishment on the non qualified or organizations openly instructing non qualified people.
Yes disclaimers instruct people not to do stupid things, but I’ve yet to meet an idiot who’d admit they are as thick as a bulls turd.
So that is unlikely to help.
Re: Hotpoint Service
You assume the client is telling the truth.
Big mistake, more likely it just happened to fail on her next load, she may even have done several loads before the failure on that day, likely she had a full basket and placed on as soon as the tech finished.
S888 happens.
For many reasons
And amazingly its not always someones fault.
Show me a perfect human, I’ll prove there a liar.
Re: Microwave leakage testing
He may need to satisfy his insurance.
Another useless Regulation placed by the EU, policed solely in the UK, the rest choose to ignore them. Today the locking devices work, tomorrow is another day yet in the UK the law believes these tests can predict the future.
Re: connells estate agents nightmare!
Try a Court Summons, usually works. Chances are they got others on there books that do work for them in your area anyway, so way up whether working for free is better than not doing there calls.
Personally anybody who is prepared to negotiate payment terms due to circumstances being a little tight I’d listen too, but the ones willing to drag it out and take the 8888 I’d rather sue, take a risk you may loose there business, you may loose both if you hang around and wait, there business may go tits up and you’ll get nowt.
Re: Cpa1 gas
Two things irritate me, people who ask questions because they need help and then dismiss the info and being ignored.
I waste time giving legal documents written by the industry that clearly answer the question for it to either be ignored or dismissed.
If I wasn’t right I wouldn’t have bothered writing.
P.S I hope I’m right now 😉
Re: Cpa1 gas
washermanuk wrote:I understand i dont hold the relevant certificates according to the gas safe info! But then why did they say i needed it when i went to renew my yearly subscribtion? And mentioned in this post that if i work on gas dryers then i need it? :rolls:
thats where i start getting a headache 😕
watch this space lol 😉Does your gas work relate to BS7967 Parts 2 to 4″.
You should know. 😉
May I suggest you read the link I provided, it clearly states the required certification CPA1 relates too.
Re: New Electrolux Washer (Chinese)
Made in China to clients specific specifications, cheap as possible. LOL.
Re: Working on Dual fuel range cooker – Gas Safe registered?
squadman wrote:
Just out of interest Lee are you Gas Safe Registered ?
I am indeed and a little bit extra. 😉
[i]You need only one dead householder or loss of Property to become very poor !
Completely out of context, people are not dropping dead regularly because Non safe registered peeps are working on dual fuel appliances, that was my point, not the possible consequences.
Your business risk is exactly the same for gas or electric, any Tech doing any work dangerously risks that business and possible prosecution whether their Gas Safe or Electrically trained.
There is no difference, if a guy is a muppet and your employing him you could be f888ed. :rotfl:
I’ve come across all sorts of peeps with all sorts of experience and qualifications and sadly Gas Safe has been powerless to prosecute for many reasons. A lot of people don’t bother to report to Gas Safe, the same reason others don’t report to the HSE, why, because as I read daily on here, most are not qualified and confident enough to back up what they personally perceive as dangerous is actually correct.
Last yr I investigated a Gas Safe Registered person who instructed his client that there range cooker is the cause of the smell of gas, he instructed the client to “Have it looked at”, appliance was left connected, no warnings issue/attached, the householder continued to use the appliance, they waited 3 weeks before friends visiting advised they report it to Gas Safe, client assumed keeping her windows open would alleviate any danger.
That muppet was given a warning and is now listed on the dreaded muppet list, but continues to work on gas.
Any person working as a company would be deemed that they would have or should have known the risks and correct testing procedures whilst carrying out any work on a Gas Appliance even it the job you were doing was of a electrical nature , in the event that a fatality or explosion occurred after you had attended a Gas appliance you would be held responsible and thus face the real prospect of ending up in court and I cannot understand how you would not understand this.
Rubbish.
You are not deemed competent regarding test procedures until you have attended and passed an assessment, until then you are classed as everybody else, depending on the incident, if you where to leave a gas carrying pipe disconnected, you would be liable, as would any person, but to not spot burner pressure issue, gas rate etc etc then no, you are not liable.
Imaging if you called to the house in Bath which the lady died due to the leaking boiler flue pipe located in the garage, you called the day before to work on the Tumble Dryer in the garage, who would be responsible for not spotting the danger ?
A) The Tech with no Gas assessment.
B) The Tech with CCN1,CKR1 and LAU1.
C) The Tech with CCN1, CKR1,LAU1, WAT1 and HTR1.[i]Hardly the same thing Lee ? By working on say a dishwasher in a kitchen it would not be reasonable to expect that you would be held to account for any other appliance that happened to be in that location !
Yes you are.Imagine you call to a Washing Machine and you notice the kettle has no plug, instead has nails keeping the wires in place. who would be responsible if the owner was killed after you left.
A) Any visitor not Electrically Trained.
B) An appliance repair Technician.
C) Both.See above comments.
Re: Cpa1 gas
Its clearly written on the web site, there is no grey area and should not be causing any confusion.
You don’t hold the required competences required to be able to take the CPA1 course, you wont be accepted onto a course without providing a current HTR1, CEN1, WAT1 accreditation. :rotfl:
“Within the UK are the approximately 120,000 registered gas service engineers and some 45,000 use a flue gas analyser. Despite 75,000 gas service engineers holding competency in HTR1 (gas fires) and CEN1 (central heating boilers), they do not possess an assessed competence in the operation of flue gas analysers. It will shortly become a requirement for all gas service engineers to correctly operate a flue gas analyser. The introduction of the CPA1 Combustion Performance Analysis of Domestic Appliances is a gas safety course and assessment designed specifically for gas service engineers for compliance with the requirements of BS7967 Parts 2 to 4”.
Re: Cpa1 gas
Holel wrote:
You can test a flueless cooker (the CO/CO2 ratio pass ratio is 0.008 for an oven 0.010 for a grill unless manufactures instruction state different) but I’ve never needed to as long as the flame picture looks fine.
The only reason I questioned it was the report of possible Carbon Monoxide.
My comment was in relation to the requirements of CPA1.
Re: Cpa1 gas
How can you flue test a flueless appliance, simply you cannot and there is no requirement for CPA1 unless you are working on flued appliances ie you hold CEN1 (boilers), HTR1 (space heaters), CENWAT (Water heaters).
Come on guys, work it out, this is becoming embarrassing.
Re: Working on Dual fuel range cooker – Gas Safe registered?
I wish I had a £ for every time this question comes up and non Gas safe people keep sprouting on about Gas Safety and how dangerous it is.
If I had a pound for all the dead householders I find I’d be very poor.
Gas is very very very safe as long as the basics are followed, there will always mistakes and some deaths, such as the Gas Heating installer recently found guilty of manslaughter thanks to his unsealed flue pipe leaking into the house killing a young lady in the shower.He had 20 yrs unblemished career.
Boilers are far more likely to kill than a cooker, hob etc etc.
Any person not trained in Gas Safety etc etc will not be prosecuted for working on the Electric side of a dual appliance unless they break into the supply of gas, alter/remove/disconnect any gas carrying or related components.
The same goes for anybody working within a kitchen or any location that has a Gas appliance, boiler, fire etc etc who is not qualified, will not be prosecuted for not spotting the signs of spillage, poor ventilation or incomplete combustion etc etc even if the next day that householder drops dead.
