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Re: The ‘Reason’ Washing Machine
Had one here for review, it never worked and ended up getting recycled.
Had one call for one, it never worked either but a new door lock made it work again. For a while.
Never heard from Titan again. 😕
K.
still the basic idea was a good one. and you cant knock inovation or we would still be in caves grunting.
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I’m not.
They just didn’t work in my experience and none have long enough that I am aware of to offer an opinion on long term viability of the machine. And that’s the key Madrat, most people want a machine that will last and offer long term value for money, not need replaced in a couple of years. Whether or not people are prepared to pay for that is a whole other debate, but the requirement is pretty simple.
You have the same thing with the Reason, there’s no history and it’s a new and unproven design. We don’t even know if the warranty is insured so, if they go bust, you’ve no warranty as well as no way to get support.
TBH there were mixed comments about the whole removable drum idea, some people loved it and others thought it was a waste of time.
K.
I agree, an idea is all very good but it needs to work in the real world, but at least people are having a go.
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With reference to the Dyson Contrarotator washer, I had heard that if the contrarotation stops working properly, owners are offered the option to have that function disabled. Apparently there was also a backlog of customers waiting for new drums.
Rather negates the point of having a Dyson in the first place, don’t you think?
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Reason, Titan now Dyson is getting ‘John Cleese Morris 1100 damn good thrashing!’ in this thread. Surely there’s others we can pour scorn upon whilst we’re at it? Kick ’em while their down lads eh? Go on put the boot in some more…!!:rolls:
If Andrew Reason’s innovation fails like so many of it’s predecessors then no doubt many here will glory in their pessimistic preconceptions. But fair play to his nerve and tenacity to even attempt to market such a thing in this day and age when so many fail so easily.
But there is a darker side to all this that befalls any newcomers into the industry. Sinister influences within the trade that prevents any affront toward the known establishment. More than just wagging tongues in a chat room and innocent forum banter but a big boys club with more than just a willow branch at their disposal……:twisted:
Welcome to the world of white goods Andrew, and the best of British mate! 😉
Andrews latest video showing off his marvelous machine with pre heated water!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_west/7969111.stmRe: The ‘Reason’ Washing Machine
He is still lifting the same snuff dry laundry out of the machine. It hasn’t been washed at all. 😕
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To be fair Jim, there’s a few good ideas in there.
There’s also some things that will give potential problems.
I still haven’t heard anything about service on them and, being heavily involved in the appliance service industry, I’m somewhat surprised about that.
Dunno, we’ll see but the best of luck to Mr Reason, at least it’s something a bit different.
K.
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I’m quite prepared to keep an open mind on this, as you say some ‘apparently’ good ideas. Its just a pity he doesn’t want to share them with the very people who could help him to put them into practice. Good grief, there are thousands of years of accumulated knowledge on UKWG’s to tap into.
Although it was an ultimately doomed venture, at least the inventor of the Titan was brave enough to show us his machine, to let us take it apart and it was seen actually working by some members of this forum.
All we have to date is basically a stainless steel drawer, put the clothes in, close the drawer, press a button, open the drawer and pull out the bone dry clothes.
Did I ever tell you the one about the Emperors new clothes.. 😉
Jim.
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Just found this site and this discussion and can’t believe how negative some of you are, if it were up to you we’d still be using a stream and rocks to do our washing.
Perhaps you might like to look at this video and possibly learn something from it http://www.dolectures.com/
Oh and I have a Dyson washing machine that I’ve had since its launch and apart from a couple of minor problems it’s doing a splendid job of work. Also the Dyson after sales service is just superb.Re: The ‘Reason’ Washing Machine
alfiebengal wrote:Just found this site and this discussion and can’t believe how negative some of you are, if it were up to you we’d still be using a stream and rocks to do our washing.
Err? Stream & rocks? No no, most of us that have made comments are in fact long established engineers within the washing machine industry and have based them upon the vast accumulative knowledge we have gained in that time on the subject matter in question.
alfiebengal wrote:Perhaps you might like to look at this video and possibly learn something from it http://www.dolectures.com/
Yes I’ve listened to Andrew’s lecture and there are very many points I could comment on. But I will focus on those more relevant statements Andrew made if I may? : –
1) His head engineer had no previous experience in washing machine technology?
2) Approaching the problem from a consumer point of view?
3) No heater in ballast tank that uses only existing ambient temperature of room?
4) No machine to demonstrate because they’ve been extra bits needed since?
5) Extra G forces mean a new approach to motor design?
6) Big manufacturers biting at their ankles?
There’s no doubt it’s got the trade talking and with his talk of approaching the problem of washing machine technology from a new angle the trade cannot wait to see this miracle he and his mates Steve & Matt have come up with….BRING IT ON ANDREW is the message.
alfiebengal wrote:Oh and I have a Dyson washing machine that I’ve had since its launch and apart from a couple of minor problems it’s doing a splendid job of work. Also the Dyson after sales service is just superb.
Well James Dyson’s brilliant attempt at a new type of washing machine technology failed and for one simple reason (no pun intended) simply because it is OVER ENGINEERED.
Reviewing what we know of the Reason Washing Machine so far is simply that we cannot figure how the hell it works? From our engineering viewpoint and what’s been disclosed so far by Andrew it simply ain’t gonna work….period.
As for the funding the project has got so far? It all smacks of a bit of a scam to be honest? I’d love to eat my words there but for now I’ll just sit here on this fence. 8)
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Martin wrote:
alfiebengal wrote:
Just found this site and this discussion and can’t believe how negative some of you are, if it were up to you we’d still be using a stream and rocks to do our washing.Err? Stream & rocks? No no, most of us that have made comments are in fact long established engineers within the washing machine industry and have based them upon the vast accumulative knowledge we have gained in that time on the subject matter in question.
That sentence really says it all, you can be too long in one place.
alfiebengal wrote:Perhaps you might like to look at this video and possibly learn something from it http://www.dolectures.com/
Yes I’ve listened to Andrew’s lecture and there are very many points I could comment on. But I will focus on those more relevant statements Andrew made if I may? : –
1) His head engineer had no previous experience in washing machine technology?
So what’s your point. Are you trying to say that an engineer is only allowed to specialise in one product, do me a favour!!
2) Approaching the problem from a consumer point of view?
It’s called market research!!
3) No heater in ballast tank that uses only existing ambient temperature of room?
The detergent operates at 15DegC and most houses are well above that.
4) No machine to demonstrate because they’ve been extra bits needed since?
No because they rightly need to protect their patents.
5) Extra G forces mean a new approach to motor design?
What’s your point?
6) Big manufacturers biting at their ankles?
Undoubtedly they are if they’re doing their jobs properly.
There’s no doubt it’s got the trade talking and with his talk of approaching the problem of washing machine technology from a new angle the trade cannot wait to see this miracle he and his mates Steve & Matt have come up with….BRING IT ON ANDREW is the message.
alfiebengal wrote:Oh and I have a Dyson washing machine that I’ve had since its launch and apart from a couple of minor problems it’s doing a splendid job of work. Also the Dyson after sales service is just superb.
Well James Dyson’s brilliant attempt at a new type of washing machine technology failed and for one simple reason (no pun intended) simply because it is OVER ENGINEERED.
But it worked and is brilliant. He is an example of someone with no previous experience of a market coming into it and shaking its foundations. Look what he did to the vacuum cleaner market while the industry adopted your attitude and watch their sales go down the pan.
Reviewing what we know of the Reason Washing Machine so far is simply that we cannot figure how the hell it works? From our engineering viewpoint and what’s been disclosed so far by Andrew it simply ain’t gonna work….period.
Or perhaps it’s because you lot didn’t think of it first
As for the funding the project has got so far? It all smacks of a bit of a scam to be honest? I’d love to eat my words there but for now I’ll just sit here on this fence.
Why is it a scam? Anyone investing in it is going into it with their eyes open. That’s how business works, although not often enough in this country.
8)
See my comments above
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