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Re: New washing machine.
Perhaps Ken would be able to advise on water use with Higher water level and how long 7 rinses would take and the other programme times ❓
I must say the ISE10 is looking impressive.
Oliver.
Re: New washing machine.
Hi Quickwash,
Thanks for that, it is very kind of you!
I want a 75oC wash for thermal disinfection, not everything can take a 95oC, so it is nice to have. Do you find the Heavy 60oC removes oil completley?
The door seal is a super idea, even my Mums commercial Miele has a normal seal, albeit the thickest I have ever seen so can’t imagine it failing. I had heard about the door moving and the cabinet staying still, sound intriguing.
All the best,
Oliver.
Re: New washing machine.
Hi Martin,
Thanks for the indepth reply.
Budget, I will say no more than £900 or about. I would rather buy better now to save future hassle and expense.
With regard to the WFF2000, I already have acomplete machine for spares and that too has a rotten drum spider. I am not sure I want to persue this route. Most people do not look after their washing machines and use low tempetaures so does concern me about another second hand machine. If I had the Bosch from new this wouldn’t have happened, but as the Bosch is about 17 years old now if I had bought it from new I would have only been 5!! 😆
I want to explore all the options before deciding whether to have punt on another WFF2000 or to replace the machine, I am also thinking of the future where I may put alot of money into it now only to be told next year a part it needs is obsolete too, so could end up a bit stitched up.
The only washing machine I had from new was a Hotpoint WF530T and I hated it. So when it packed up at 2 and a half years old was replaced with the Bosch, which I have only had for 18 months.
I am beginning to feel I should buy a brand new washer which I can look after how I see fit and hopefully aviod these problems in the future. I have bought a few second hand things and I have had all the same problems, but most things I have had from new haven’t been troublesome even my 4 year old White Knight vented dryer.
So if I could find a modern machine to do what the WFF2000 does it is worth a look before I go any further.
Thanks once again Martin.
Oliver 😀
Re: washer/dryer recommendations please..
kwatt wrote:
Higher-water-level wrote:
I have experience of Miele, or rather my parents have and the machines are well built and perform well too and I can have a look at one before I buy one. I do get your point though. 😀I appreciate your opinion Oliver and, you obviously have a lot more sense than a lot of people that think £2-300 will buy a decent washing machine these days as you have rightly pointed out, it won’t. Certainly for a family, forget it for that sort of money.
But, I have to make a comment on the quote above, I just have a need to do so. 😉
The problem there is the costs you don’t see.
Miele allegedly make shedloads out of aftercare service so, what you don’t pay up front you pay at the backend. It’s like a stealth tax only the media don’t bother to tell you about it. Neither does the seller.
From what I can gather and, it’s been reported on other sites other than this one, you can now have a Miele machine that reports a blocked drain pump (s an example) as a fault code and, although on most machines you can clear the blockage and reset the machine or, it just clears and works, the new Miele machines have to have an engineer reset it for you. What this means is that the machine won’t work until you pay Miele’s ransom demand to release the fault code, whatever that might be. But, it will most likely be in excess of £100 a shot.
So sure, you can go see a Miele in one of their approved showrooms but you can’t see the catches to the deal in the showroom. You do get glitzy lights and very often someone that knows as much about washing machines as I do about knitting.
Oh and that sort of failure, not covered by warranty in either domestic or commercial situations like most. but then, on most, you can sort it yourself for zero cost but, not with Miele apparently.
What I can assure of is this, the ISE 10 machines are built to at least match but, in most cases, exceed the performance of the equivalent Miele in general use but also to outlast them by being more durable. ISE take that a step further by making them repairable through cheaper spares and also cheaper service from more local and, usually, faster service.
I can also assure you that ISE offer as much support as possible to help people resolve any issue that you might have totally free of charge and, only when ISE can’t do that remotely, ISE they route the issue to an actual visit.
Kind of a thing, that ISE has a principal, not to make service a profit generator.
However, for those that that choose a Miele that’s absolutely fine as they are better than most of the “tat” out there. Whether they’re the best option or not, debatable.
Just FYi and that of others so it’s balanced. 😉
K.
Thanks Ken, I have started a new topic in the WM forum so as not to make a mess of Steves.
Re: washer/dryer recommendations please..
iadom wrote:Of course if you do intend to do the sensible thing and buy a quality washing machine then you can do no better than THIS
I like the idea of ISE Jim, don’t get me wrong. But you cannot see one of these machines before you buy one, however the warranty is tempting, 10 years is just excellent.
There are other niggles though, it has no 70/75oC wash and I have no idea how well it rinses, I know it has a higher water level ( 😆 )and a 7 rinse option but I still have no idea if it will fill 1/3 up the door on rinse.
My current Bosch does 4 rinses 1/3 up the door, rinsing is very important as I have very sensitive skin, eczema and dermatitis, plus I am allergic to ALL detergents if not rinsed out properly.
I have experience of Miele, or rather my parents have and the machines are well built and perform well too and I can have a look at one before I buy one. I do get your point though. 😀
Oliver.
Re: washer/dryer recommendations please..
Regarding noise from a Miele, they are almost silent on wash, all you can hear is the clothes sloshing about in the water. On spin you can faintly hear the motor but mainly just the pump, even on a fast 1400rpm spin. The only downside is the above relates to a commercial Miele, but from experience the domestic ones with brushless motors are just as quiet.
I have a 15 year old (or so) Bosch and it too is very quiet but, a friend bought a modern Bosch and it is far noisier than mine. I personally do not feel Bosch make the excellent products they used to and would certainly not have another one. My next washing machine will be a Miele without a second thought.
Miele do have restrictive servicing practices and the parts are very expensive so this too should be factored into the descision.
Oliver.
Re: Obsolete drum spider for Bosch WFF2000
Looks like a new Miele then……………at least that won’t end up with a rotten drum spider as I do not wash anything below 60oC and I always use bleach containing Persil powder for everything, coloured or white.
😡Re: Obsolete drum spider for Bosch WFF2000
I can’t locate one anywhere. :rolls:
If anyone has one lurking in their store rooms or vans I would be most grateful if you would let me buy it off you, please, I am getting desperate now. 🙁
I would still rather repair the Bosch than buy a new machine as this sort of quality will be close to a grand in todays money.
Oliver.
Re: Obsolete drum spider for Bosch WFF2000
Thanks for that Martin mate 😀
I already have a second machine for spares but that too has a knackered drum spider. :rolls:
After a think about it last night I am going (unless I find a new spider) to run the Bosch into the ground and buy a new machine, this is not an option I really want to take as the Bosch will take some living upto in both cleaning performance and rinsing. I won’t be having another Bosch though as they are not built as well as my old WFF2000, I want something of good quality and that ain’t gonna come cheap. 🙁
Happy new Year Martin,
Oliver.
Re: Review by Office of Fair Trading
quickwash wrote:
Hope your mums machine gives her many years of ‘parts free service’ 🙂 Fair trading may well of ‘stepped’ in by then 😀Aye, me too, but judging by the quality I don’t doubt it will go the distance. When my White Knight drier packs up I will be buying a vented Miele as well…………..wish me luck! 😀
Re: Review by Office of Fair Trading
quickwash wrote:Yes, but that honestly wasnt a dig at you Oliver, quite 😯 that you thought so
What this post was about is that i was recently informed by’ someone in the know’ that a miele part which can be bought for 48euro trade is sold for over £220 retail :shake:
No excuses for that, just totally wrong IMO
regards
quickwash :plug:
Didn’t for a minute think it was a dig at me, just couldn’t resist! 😆
O.
Re: ISE1607 Noise With Zanussi Dryer On Top
Well she is happy with her chioce, lets face it she has not gone down the cheap Indesit etc. route. I told her of ISE, first question, is it stainless, to which I say no, her reply was “I’m not having a white washer” :rolls: , so ISE was immediatley ruled out.
Her criteria for a washer to replace the 10 year old Siltal were:
Stainless steel.
High water rinses + dilution rinse.
At least 4 rinses. (Miele programmed to do 5 on cottons, adjstable by the user.)
Short cycles as per Siltal.
No more than 1200rpm spin (Miele has been adjusted accordingly.)
Prewash option.
Themal disinfection washes (75oC and 95oC)
Commercial machine, not semi-commercial.She went through just about every commercial make before going for the Miele. For a start it had to fit under the kitchen worktop. The only downside to the Miele is it does stick out about 4″, but it has been moved and replumbed into a corner out of the way so she isn’t really bothered.
Also the machine is used for alot of very heavy soiling as well such as grease, paint, mud, oil and numerous others so she needs a machine that will cope well under these circumstances and having seen the wash results for myself it is brilliant.
At the end of the day she bought exactly what she wanted and is extremely pleased with it. No-one can accuse her of buying rubbish!
BTW Jim, on the warranty situation a 12 month P and L is standard on commercial machines as they see alot of abuse. You cannot really discount a machine just because it has a 12 month warranty. The ISE has a BRILLIANT warranty, however as yourself and Ken have said it would only get a 3 year one even though it will be in a domestic kitchen, so it wasn’t enough to sway her descision. Like I say I cannot slate the ISE 10 at all, it is just my Mum wanted a Miele. Quickwash is right what the lady wants the lady gets!!!! 😈
Just be thankfull it isn’t washing for me aswell, many moons ago when I was at school she could have another 5-8 loads a week on top of her usual amount, now thats abuse! 😆
All the best to everyone,
😀
Oliver.Re: ISE1607 Noise With Zanussi Dryer On Top
Hi Jim,
In reality it is not £2000 more because you cannot really compare an ISE 10 (which is a super machine and I am not going to slate) with a commercial Miele, for a start the Miele is designed for 30,000 cycles before things start wearing out, is built for 14 hours use a day in nursing homes, hotels and the like. The ISE AFAIK does not have a 75oC wash either, a cycle my mum uses alot.
You are right about the cost though, she could have had the Miele in white for £800 cheaper. :rolls: But her logic is (and I cannot really disagree) she is going to have to live with it for a very long time so she wants to be happy with the look of it as it stands next to her stainless steel dryer. At 20 loads a week it should in theory last for 30 years with no repairs, I say in hope! 🙂
Oliver.
