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Re: Waste Carriers Licence
philfish wrote:Getting confused again š i do a handful a month its good for the beer tokens but Ā£840 is a lot of beer tokens so it would defiantly make me think twice about it!
phil
I thought you were in the trade?
George
Re: Waste Carriers Licence
Steven wrote:Is this Ā£840 a yearly fee or one off for life?
Does this come in to effect for anything after the 6th April?
If you have a stack of appliances awaiting reconing before this date would you still require this license?
The Ā£840 is for 3 years so I am told… but, Once April 6th past it is for any work you do after that date, including ones you have stacked up since before that date.
Steven wrote: If this T11 is required as of now, all the appliances i have waiting to be done are now deemed as scrap, in effect i have paid for those as part exchange allowance or paid out right for a second hand appliance.
Who will compensate for that cost or have i got to write it all off?
No-one will compensate you for lost potential
Steven wrote:EA Quote (The obligation to register exempt operations only applies to organisations such as companies, partnerships, authorities, societies, trusts, clubs, charities or other organisations. Individuals acting in a purely private capacity can still benefit from the exemptions but donāt need to register.)
I notice if you are individual you can ‘benefit from the exemptions’ dont need to register’ means you dont have to cough up Ā£840 carry on regardless re-‘conning’ and selling possibly for CASH to the GP no paper trail or tax paid!!
One rule for them and one for us!
Quote ‘can still benefit from the exemptions’ who does this benefit??? only the EA.
I will put this to the EA when they get back in touch.
George
Re: Waste Carriers Licence
gandh1 wrote:
You misunderstand me, our local tips refuse any trade vehicles, so this is not possible, be it on behalf of the customer or otherwise. The nearest one that accepts trade vehicles with refrigeration charges Ā£40 per unit, and is 18 miles away.Our refrigeration is picked up by a 3rd party who legitimately disposes of it for us (with all valid documentation) for a nominal charge. We have a waste carriers license.
You can transport the fridge to the local tip or registered scrapyard for the customer as long as you hold a Waste Carriers Licence. The Tip will not charge you so long as you get a tipping certificate which your customer would need to get from the recycling dept of your local council refuse dept.
gandh1 wrote: What im asking is how do the EA determine the businessā āintentionā of what is being collected.
Take today for example, replaced a 3 year old frigidaire rl6003b which had degassed itself. Technically, that could be refurbished by recharging it, we arent going to do that, but its possible. Our intention is that its waste for disposal and always will be but how would an EA inspector determine it was WEEE waste or WEEE for repair? What is to stop a ālittle-hitlerā EA inspector determining your business is collecting WEEE for repair without a T11 because they are on a quota for fining businesses, much like traffic wardens are for parking offences.They do not… Effectively, they will only determin your non-compliance by way of interference with the unit being stored for disposal or by way of neglect of thee rules… ie. you have dismantled some spares from the unit or you have stored it in an unsafe area or area that is detrimental to the recycling of the unit (outside in the wet). You must keep the units safe from damage.
gandh1 wrote:And the other 3 grey areas I thought of was would a t11 be required for someone in posession of WEEE for refurbishment prior to April, even though it isnt being transported? would they now need a T11 to resell the refurbished produce? What if it was given away for free?
Forget the transportation thing… Transportation of WEEE requires only a Waste Carriers Licence, not a T11.
If you have WEEE for refurbishment that is not yet refurbished then you would now need a T11 to refurbish it.
A T11 is not needed to sell or give away refurbished WEEE, only to refurbish it.
gandh1 wrote:Also what if the retailer fulfilled their WEEE obligation by only receiving the WEEE appliance at their premises, delivered by the consumer, and then wished to repair it, they havent transported it so surely a T11 isnt required??
If you wished to repair it then you require the T11 … However, if your customer wanted you to repair it for them and then they sold it to you it is a different matter.
gandh1 wrote:What if the appliance was being collected to be repaired and then deemed BER and so not returned, but spares were harvested on the business premises, would a T11 then be needed, if the waste appliance was given to a scrap man???
You would need a T11 in order to harvest the spares.
allan73 wrote:So anyone reworking “graded” appliances would need a T11 including the manufacturer ?
Yes, the T11 is required by anyone repairing or refurbishing WEEE appliances for re-use.
gandh1 wrote:as in my previous post, who decides my intentions?
Your intensions are decided by yourself .. but if you collect an item and you have no T11 and then you are found to have taken parts off it or commenced a repair attempt on it without that T11 you can be fined upto and including Ā£50,000 or in terms of what you are trading in 384 good quality new fridges.
[b]One thing I must say here… Although I say that all these questions were put forward and responses were received, the EA guy seemed pretty dumfounded by the quantity and type of questions I asked; especially since I held him to ransom for 3Ā½ hours. gandh1, you are asking questions in a stance that I would expect of a Jew asking question of someone about the Gestapo (please excuse the phrasiology), calm down. It certainly seemed to me I must say that the guy from the EA was trying to help rather than hinder… It also seems to me that the EA staff do not know the full reasons for this fee and they say that they are going to find out..George
Re: ctd80 tripping issue now
Where the heater wire goes through into the cabinet put some insulation tape over the metal all around the hole…. I had one tripping and it took bloomin ages to find the fault… the wire was earthing to the casing right through the cable insulation
George
Re: Waste Carriers Licence
Ok, 3Ā½ hours later and we have some answers… not as many as I would have wished for … but at least some
kwatt wrote:Oh that.
However, if you tell the EA the truth that you are collecting the appliance for repair and return to the customer then you are exempt from that whole process and cost.
K.
Ken is correct here… If you are collecting for repair and return then you are exempt as long as you also return the waste products to the customer with the machine.. However, if the waste from the repair stays with you then you need the T11.
allan73 wrote:Am i to take it that anyone buying and selling 2nd hand appliances in working order is excluded from this t11 charge or indeed someone selling appliances reconditioned by a third party
Yes, anyone buying and then selling a secondhand appliance that is in working condition without having to repair or refurbish it, or anyone selling appliances that have been reconditioned by a third party are exempt from needing the T11.
Dales-Electronic wrote:
As I have understood the regulations, the person disposing of the item has to have decided (been informed) whether it is WEEE or not. ie If you tell them you are going to refurb it then its not WEEE if you say you are taking it down to the tip it is.This is partially correct… As it stands at the moment:
1. If you take the machine from the person with the clear understanding that you are going to refurbish it then the item is not WEEE for the purposes of Waste carrying. But, then, in order to repair or refurbish the appliance you do need the T11 because you will some under the catagory of ‘Collecting white goods for refurbishment and re-use”.
2. If you take the machine from the person with the understanding that you are going to strip it for parts it then the item is WEEE for the purposes of Waste carrying and you need the T11 to reclaim the parts.
3. If you take the machine from the person with the understanding that you are going to scrap it without removing any parts from the machine, the machine becomes WEEE for the purposes of Waste carrying but you do not need the T11.
Allsorts wrote:anything that I go collect as a business that would fall into the catagory of WEEE for disposal purposes is still actually classified as WEEE even if it is being purchased (unless it is fully working) for the basis of the T11.
This is correct!!
gandh1 wrote:does this mean when collecting an old b/i fridge that needs new Ā£80 of new hinges (due to my weee obligations because the owner has no way of tranporting it to a weee site e.g. no car) we need to ensure it is unrepairable prior to transportation? i.e CUTTING THE COMP. PIPE TO LET ALL THE REFRIGERANT OUT – yeh thats environmentally friendly isnt it… or do we have to go further and crush it first before loading it to the van???
There are few .. very few.. scrapyards that are allowed to take fridges for treatment .. there is a link to the register containing a list of these scrapyards on the EA website.
You can transport the fridge to the local tip or registered scrapyard for the customer as long as you hold a Waste Carriers Licence.
gandh1 wrote:CUTTING THE COMP. PIPE TO LET ALL THE REFRIGERANT OUT
If caught doing this you can receive a fine of upto Ā£50,000
gandh1 wrote:Which brings me onto legally how can an appliance be deemed irrepairable or repairable for resale ??? surely any appliance is potentially repairable, and consequently it is also equally irrepairable depending on either how much parts are and how much someone would pay for a repaired machine.
Irrepairable or Repairable makes no difference. If you collect an item with an intention of repairing the item you will need a T11; but if you then decide that it is irrepairable you will still need a T11 because you are creating WEEE Waste. ONLY if you take the appliance to be scrapped without any dismantling or attempt at repair whatsoever would you be exempt from the T11.
gandh1 wrote:cant you just say you were being hypothetical, and any visit wihtout authorisation is trespass???
that will show them “co-operation”
Hypothetically, any non-compliance with the T11 can earn you upto Ā£50,000 in fines, and that is not in Monopoly money. AND ignorance is no excuse.
I did state that in my mind this is a tax on anyone refurbishing appliances… it has got nothing to do with saving the environment, because the fee that is imposed works purely a deterant to those who wish to refurbish rather than scrap and the fee is not imposed on those that scrap.
I did tell him to apply to UK Whitegoods for an account so that he could advise in person… wether he will or not I don’t know.
These are the explanations thus far… The EA Officer has returned to his office for the time being and will email me in due course to answer all that I asked.. He did say “I will get you the answers to what you have asked; you may not like the answers but I will do my best to get them”.
More to come when I receive the email he has proposed sending. the email should contain more in depth definitions and he has perported that it will be a lengthy email, however, it will have links and contact names and numbers for persons in responsible positions for the purpose of lobbying to change the rules & charges contained within T11.
George
Re: leisure r/master 1010
I cant remember which two, but you press two buttons together to turn it back to manual
George
Re: Waste Carriers Licence
allan73 wrote:Am i to take it that anyone buying and selling 2nd hand appliances in working order is excluded from this t11 charge or indeed someone selling appliances reconditioned by a third party š
I will put that point forward too ..
George
Re: And in the beginning….
Very dapper Martin… At first glance I thought you were off to service an aircraft.
George
Re: Waste Carriers Licence
Dales-Electronic wrote:As I have understood the regulations, the person disposing of the item has to have decided (been informed) whether it is WEEE or not. ie If you tell them you are going to refurb it then its not WEEE if you say you are taking it down to the tip it is.
I will put this point forward to them tomorrow and let you know what they say.
George
Re: hotpoint rfa52p thats too cold on #1
Are you sure the thermostat is working? Are the wires in the right places?
I have beeen asking myself the same questions about a frigidaire fridge that just keeps going. Thermostat seems to have no click other than on/off.
George
Re: Waste Carriers Licence
Apparently, so I am informed, anything that I go collect as a business that would fall into the catagory of WEEE for disposal purposes is still actually classified as WEEE even if it is being purchased (unless it is fully working) for the basis of the T11.
George
Re: Waste Carriers Licence
kwatt wrote:
It would appear that the rules have changed…http://www.environment-agency.gov.uk/bu … 16216.aspx
I’ve not dug into it but it would look as though that government are targeting the resellers of refurbished products which will make life a little difficult for those not doing any real volumes of this sort of stuff.
K.
Yes Ken, They say that they need to track where these products are coming from and going to…
The EA were very interested when I informed them that both my local council and a local charity were taking approximately 6 – 8 of the 20 ton skips full of appliances to a scrapyard at Birkenhead docks every week and then that scrapyard loads them onto a ship for China every couple of months.
Thinnking about all tis the other night I realised that the layman who is not in business but is doing hs little bit in his garage at home selling Ā£70 washing machines through the newspapers on the side of the doal or as a second job (not paying tax) avoids all these fees and rules…
Maybe it would be a good thing if WTA lobbied the EA about these issues and the damage the fee could do to both the trade and the environment. (Flytipping, scrapping of WEEE, Exporting WEEE to China by scrapyards and the carbon footprint cause by the shipping)
I personally remove all the PCBs, Glass, Rubber & Copper wiring from appliances before scrapping them; and in some cases the plastics too; but every day I see full appliances being scrapped with the WEEE products still inside the appliances… This is one area where I think they should be concentrating… (Generally Pikies & Scrapyards)
George
