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Re: Off topic – Caravan servicing – LPG gas and electric che
FFS.
The internet is not a reliable source of information.
If you want to know anything about this contact Gas Safe.
Attached is my cert just too prove l kinda know a few things.
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Re: Off topic – Caravan servicing – LPG gas and electric che
OMG.
Really, not only is his actions OMG……….but also your response……….really, l mean really.
I’m holding back as l’m absolutely flabagasted.
You know not to leave your bbq inside as well.
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Re: Tonight on ITV
Hint UTC’s.
Some business people really need to start acting like business people and wake up to possibilities around themselves.
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Re: Next Up On TV
Tell the truth Martin ur going through de Nile. 😆
Can i mention regulation again or wait for the media response.;-)
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Anybody remember the days when schools had a car in the classroom and practical lessons.
Or technical colleges for peeps unlikely to gain a paper qualification.
As for its merits on this discussion. It seems obvious to me at least that safety issues, recalls are connected to qualifications.
After all you would expect a safety modification to be carried out by a person suitable qualified to at least remove the covers. Who deems that person qualified, there employer, the one who does not want to pay someone deemed qualified yet moans about recalls. What is the goin rate on contract work or wages, one minute too low to survive as a business then to increase it is unworkable, all valid arguements apparantly.
So we want manufacturers to be more safety aware, better products. There answer l’ve heard is get your own house in order before pointing the finger.
Catch 22 springs to mind. I have no interest in changing anything, i just find it ironic people throwing accusations around.
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Re: Tonight on ITV
kwatt wrote:
twicknix wrote:
I find it frightening/worrying when you say that “give it few years and we will all be gone”, it’s very defeatist attitude.Okay, I get that and if I didn’t have facts to back it up I wouldn’t have said it. 😉
In 2005 we undertook training of for P&G and, from 2004/5 we had data that told us all that there were approx. 3.5K UK based appliance repair companies.
By the time we contacted every single one of them and found that, of the 3.5K there were only about 2.3K still trading. A 30{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} drop in little under two years.
The average age of an appliance engineer then was 52.
Fast forward a few years and what we see is more people dropping out or retiring, some not retiring because they can’t afford to but dropping the amount of work that they do.
Less capacity but, everyone struggles on.
Also though demand appears to have fallen as well, probably due to the increase of cheap products and people’s “throw it away” mentality.
The same or similar has happened in the plumbing side with Gas Safe being a particular thorny issue, same circumstances, an ageing and declining workforce with less and less people doing any gas work. The rates have stayed relatively static though even in the face of increased costs in some areas, in others it is now higher than it once was, London being a good example.
But the problem that they have and are not too happy to share is that GS has come home to roost or, the unintended consequences have, in that a lot of the old guys are saying, “You know what, I’ve been doing this for decades what do I need to be tested in a classroom? Why should I pay for it as I can make as much money fitting bathrooms as doing this crud.”
So now, when you talk to GS or HSE off record they will tell you that the numbers have declined.
Rates will then rise because of increased costs and decreased competition.
Then punters will take matters into their own hands.
Then homes blow up. Carbon monoxide problems manifest.
These service industries are not happy places to be, it’s not nice attractive jobs, the salaries aren’t that good, the hours can be off putting, you have to deal with the public, you have to be over a certain age to get insured and so on then, you can’t get a job with no experience. It’s not the most accessible career to enter so there’s not a huge influx and, if the demand was there and the money was there then new entrants would be attracted in.
If you don’t believe me that’s absolutely fine but I do have data to support the argument and, there’s an even easier way. Just try getting a gas appliance repaired outside a major city and surrounding postcodes or, try to get an LPG product looked at where there are no caravans.
Try even getting gas work on a fridge done in many areas and you will struggle.
I’m sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings but it is already the case that the heydays of the 1980’s are a long distant memory and for the foreseeable future will not return without radical change to the entire industry, not just us.
As soon as the Berlin Wall fell and production moved ever more East dropping prices in real terms year on year the demand to repair dropped off with it.
So my take is to fight the right battles, not pointless ones that will accomplish little if anything positive in the short to medium term. I’d far rather have a pop at the cheap imports and try to get the level of repair work up then worry about the problem of the odd cowboy later because, for now, it’s nothing like the problem it was in the 70’s and 80’s and with the more technical nature of products now, far less likely to ever be again.
I’m not saying that there aren’t muppets out there, of course there are and there always will be regardless of how much legislation you throw at the problem, you won’t get them all. If you stop any at all as most of them don’t give a stuff about the law and TS is about as useful as a chocolate fireguard in dealing with them as they have no money to pursue them.
Try testing the appliance engineers, they can earn nearly as much stacking shelves in Tesco in some cases. Show me the incentive to invest in training and certification that is policed as well as running their own business whilst about it.
Given that the vast bulk dropped out of doing gas products when CORGI came in and a whole bunch more dropped gas work on FGAS when it came in, I have more than a strong suspicion that exactly the same would happen if more legislation was brought in anywhere else.
K.
Your looking at yesterdays issues with the last decades solutions.
As you stated something radical needs to be done.
You dont need to turn it into a money making scheme, no need for a register, training skill centres.
The UK is over run with middlemen chasing suckers.
Start think further than a decade ago.;-)
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Re: Tonight on ITV
Who said it has to cost anything and even if it did, why assume it’ll never work.
I’m surprised you even manage to start a forum with such negative assumptions.
Your almost a Richard Branson in reverse.:lol:
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Re: Tonight on ITV
Which is why we should have a recognised qualification and regulated.
If we dont make our industry credable, who will.
Until then we will not be given any credability, lets face it, when the likes of e-spares are allowed to post videos on how to repair appliances, clients, the media etc will ask how difficult is it……….
Maybe we should get together and post on You Tube videos of cock ups made by DIYers and damage they have caused.
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Re: Here’s To The Crazy Ones
Cooling fans protect users fingers.
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Re: Here’s To The Crazy Ones
No element is designed to destroy itself if stat and safety devices failed.
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Re: Baumatic BDF 683 SS Locking up
The info available to Baumatic engineers is at best poor, Bau ships large amounts of junk at very low prices with no tech info, the only available is general guide that covers all. Hence the guess work. Hence the advice to walk away instead of spending money on parts you cannot verify are working.
But to give you some advice i’ve never replaced the parts you’ve mention apart from the PCB, which we all used to replace daily on all models, van stock had 12 different PCB’s, the other parts you mentioned where not van stocked.;-)
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Re: Baumatic BDF 683 SS Locking up
Life is too short to waste trying to solve a fault on a product that is so poorly designed and built with poor quality compnents, the exercise will be repeated many times.
Experience brings wisdom, enabling one to win all the battles one chooses and allowing the foolish to battle along with that inner voice of arrogance and determined resolve only to reach the blinding obvious conclusion , there is no point trying to polish a turd :lol:.
PS i’ve worked on Baumatics for Baumatic for a few yrs.;-)
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Re: Here’s To The Crazy Ones
Looks to me as a flamable substance has got between oven carcass and the shelf.
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Re: Baumatic BDF 683 SS Locking up
You missed my obvious point, there is a reason why people throw multi parts, the same reason your struggling.:idea:
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Re: Baumatic BDF 683 SS Locking up
Go get some petrol and some matches. When its finished burning you’ll have the fault wiped and it’ll probably work better.
Or you could do what all Baumatic employed engineers do and throw multiple parts at it and hope someone else gets to fit them.
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