Forum Replies Created
-
Posts
-
Re: Does anyone use this loop tester info required
Just one point you all responsible people doing your tests missed, for it to be legal your test equipment has to be not only calibrated yearly it also must conform to certain requirements, certain martindales etc etc will not be accepted in certain situations.
100 ohmns is the magic number.
Re: Does anyone use this loop tester info required
Martin wrote:
The numbers of downloads my “how to use a Megger.pdf file and the massive interest the Megger Thread generated was testament to that. Lee8 had plenty to say on that thread too I recall.:wink:
Proves my point how poor training is. :rotfl:
Martin wrote:
Now that is pushing the bounds of possibility just too far! 😯Not when every day I’m called to put right the mess so called profesionals leave behind.
Today I had a 1 wk old Leisure Home call where the engineer had ripped the floor removing the washer, he fitted 2 PCB’s and still could not get rid of the error code, I call find out the error code meant no fill, found the water tap still in the closed position, nobody moved in as it was delivered and the appliance failed the hand over inspection. The Eng (independent part of a well known WP network) was supposed to have 10 yrs plus in the industry, now I wounder how competent his testing is. :rolls:
Re: Does anyone use this loop tester info required
shaun67 wrote:
Can see where you are coming from Lee8 ! but my point is ,if there are guys out there that don’t do a loop test on hard wired appliances and probably not sure how to do one,but are working on the appliance and say they never had any formal training but are in this trade , then it does not hurt to point them in the right direction .
Kinda, but Brand Engineers don’t loop test hard wired appliances especially if the appliance hasn’t been removed from installation, they use there multi meter to the nearest earth point (wall socket) or if none near they don’t do any and the basic loop test without green lead at a socket near the appliance.
For Indie’s there is no legal requirement, sure its easy to do on freestanding, but if you change an element on Mrs Smith built in oven and 3 months later she gets several amps of unpleasantness and dies, your still not liable and that expensive piece of kit is useless and a waste of money, why because the test is only good the day and the time you did it.
shaun67 wrote:
These guys are not your average cowboys (well i hope not)and were not afraid to own up and learn from others !! Rather than be negative Lee8 ? why not encourage threads like these? After all it is good for the trade and more people will be safer .Maybe one day it will be governed properly and everyone checked to make sure they are doing the correct safety checks etc .Show me the figures of deaths that could have been avoided if an Appliance Engineer had done an Earth/Insulation test. :rotfl:
Whilst I agree basic tests should be carried out, my point which many have missed is that Govt should bring in Regulation that is both accurate to the needs of the industry and effective, which then results in Nationally recognized training and qualifications and that we can then call ourselves qualified.
I prefer that method to the current system that nobody is qualified (Unless they are sparks) regulated, monitored, trained which then results in people buying kit they neither need or cannot use properly and relying on internet to learn.
Until then all of us within the White Goods Industry are not competent to do a loop test and give accurate results, all we are required to do is make the client aware of an issue, which usually results in a spark calling out, issuing a correct result and the client ringing the brand for a refund of the call out because some Muppet stated it was dangerous. :rotfl:
Re: More shattering news!
andy_art_trigg wrote:
stratfordgirl wrote:
I am sure washing machine door glass is safety glass.There maybe some, but I have plenty of photos sent to me showing large dagger-like shards of glass and lots of small pointed shards.
Maybe that is where the issue is. 😉
Re: More shattering news!
andy_art_trigg wrote:
As far as I’m aware though washing machine door glass is not, and shatters into very sharp shards.Did you not read my post, it stated Safety Glass.
Consider yourself now made aware. :boops:
Re: RSH5PTTS1/XEG
OOOOOpppppssss, I’d say the issue is in the Board not the compressor. Check supply to it though, just in case the comp is jamned.
Expensive mistake.
Re: Does anyone use this loop tester info required
shaun67 wrote:
But here is where i disagree with Lee8 .I was fortunate to have been trained on using test equipment from the courses i attended.But it seems some people on here have not had that specific training using a loop tester with the separate test leads for hard wired appliances and only have the plug in type loop tester without the separate leads ,but are working on appliances and are doing there best to be safe and also leave the appliance safe.
Good sentiments, but, if a person is unsure of the equipment and its use and how to interpret the results, their then not safe, are they ?
Loop test’s are easy, any competent person should not have much difficulty with it beyond unpacking the product and getting familiar with it.
Plug into a socket with the earth lead on an earthed point on the appliance and watch the pretty lights.
Sometimes its better to leave alone, don’t meddle in stuff you don’t understand, may save you time chasing your own tail.
After all we criticize people trying to fix there own appliance’s without proper training, maybe Martin’s defense of learning as we go via the internet could justify these people doing it themselves, although isn’t martin critical of these people :rolls: .
Then again I’ve seen people on ServiceForce DATES courses take longer than 10 minutes to wire a 3 pin plug. 😥
Its even worse having people struggle with equipment you don’t need or understand.
I prefer my DR, my Electrician, my dentist, my Mechanic, my plumber etc etc all to have at least a basic knowledge of there tools, their job, maybe that’s just too much to ask, but for me at least I know that I can be safe demanding these skills, kinda my own safety checking if you like.
shaun67 wrote:
So having a “how to loop test correctly write up” similar to what Martin did with his “use of the clamp meter” and “insulation test” pdf would help some who were not trained with these specific testers. if they do buy one then they will have an idea how to use it correctly because not all test equipment manuals are straight forward if you don’t understand how to do it correctly in the first place .If everyone had the right training then there would be no need for a “how to” but this is not the case so any help is a good thing don’t you agree ??All you need is a Seaward PAT tester, plug the appliance into it and it gives a big tick or a cross.
Although if it fails lets hope the person who cannot work out how basic test equipment works has the grey matter to make the necessary repairs to the appliance, or as in my experience with so called professionals who simply walk away scratching there heads and hope for the best.
Re: Does anyone use this loop tester info required
Martin wrote:
It’s you and I sense your usual chance to wind people up coming on here.
No its been my job for a few yrs now.
martin wrote:
In your parallel universe then yes perhaps. For the rest of us we are learning all the while and those that seek help find it here on UKW by asking for advice from those proficient enough to offer it.
I’m sure in any investigation that would be a defense worthy of you, others may want to step back and consider some training by a competent person to current regulations etc etc etc before they do something wrong.
martin wrote:
I do hope it doesn’t keep you awake at night.
Not at all, keeps me employed, you never no you may even experience me first hand one day.
Now that would fill me with enough excitement to keep me awake at night. :rotfl:
Re: Premature Bearing Failure
Who cares I mean really beyond either the people who made them (who have to pay a penalty to the brands for any premature failure) or the brands who have to claim from the peeps who made them.
You’ve probably seen 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000001{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of what is made fail prematurely.
Re: 0800repair employment
Don’t be silly he’s in Monaco or some other exclusive location thanks to 0800 brilliant work ethic and payment structure.
Balanced view, get a job with them, you’ll soon find out.
Re: Does anyone use this loop tester info required
Every tester I’ve ever had has had instructions on how to use it, so I see no point in placing instructions on here unless its for people who don’t know how to use one, then you have to begin asking if someone needs instructions should they be let loose without some kind of training, i Doubt Mr Smith would be happy that there system was deemed dangerous by someone who read some instructions on a web forum, by a stranger on how to use a piece of safety test equipment they never seen or understood before hand.
Is it only me than can see the irony in this.
We are all meant to be competent aren’t we, surely being deemed Electrically competent would include the use of and understanding of basic electrics and test equipment.
Seems not.
I’m starting to wonder how many in our industry have no idea of Electrical principles never mind the complicated stuff. 🙁
Re: More shattering news!
HMMM 50 out of how many appliances around.
More likely since the average appliance has traveled around 14,000 Kms before reaching a clients home, likely just been stressed at some point and since its safety glass and designed to “EXPLODE”, hell oven glasses have been doing it for yrs, i’ve probably changed around 20 for one brand this yr.
As for Miele, there as guilty of sourcing cheap components as every else, just ask Little Swan. :rotfl:
Re: The perks of buying new appliances at trade price for ‘e
If your in the industry why you so bothered, at the end of the day its a metal box with a few components on it.
Elements are made by element factories, PCB’s are made by electronic factories etc etc, CDA buy in goods from whoever fills their current requirements of looks and specs, usually for as cheap as poss. Chuck a load of well known makes in the air catch one and chances are it’ll have the same components on it as a CDA.
Point being some Brands buy in components and assemble appliances or they buy crates full of already made stuff, CDA, Baumatic just buy in stuff already made.
I think your looking at this from a common perspective many make, the actual components, motors etc where rarely developed and built in the factory of the brand, most just did the metal fabrication and assembly.
Trying to source an appliance that rarely needs servicing was rare yrs ago, even more now.
At the end of the day, how difficult is it to replace and element or fan motor or anything really on an oven.
Re: Does anyone use this loop tester info required
It goes back to my point in a previous thread, Appliance Repair peeps are not Engineers, at best their Technicians and the skill level required is low and the responsibility is also low, which is why the govt does not bother to regulate us and that most of the brand service managers don’t care if a person does a test or not, as long as the box is ticked and a reading is placed, basically enough to satisfy the insurance and lawyers should the brown stuff meet the fan, then its the Tech fault should it be proved the appliance was a fault when he left and if it could have be identified by the person.
