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Re: Hpoint Cker HUE61G Grill Light On Wen Top Oven Temp Sele
Probably got an earth fault on one of the elements as they generally share a common neutral. The earth fault can be enough to light the indicator lamp even if the selector switch is not operating that particular element.
HTH,
Steve.
Re: Zanussi ZDF511 PCB question.
Thanks Martin – it’s not one on the list but if left, I’d bet it’d go up in flames. The relay looked as if it had been on the end of a toasting fork!!
What utter garbage we have to deal with these days!!Thanks again,
Steve.
Re: Stoves S7-C900HY hob E5 fault.
Thanks for the reply! Replace the IHE….is that the ‘power board’? Does any of that section of the hob come separately or is it the whole assembly, plates et al?
Thanks
Steve.
Re: EEE safe email.
The above sounds quite promising….
So the prudent questions are:-How much will it cost me? How much time will I have to take out of my ‘glass half empty’ life to get these qualifications?
And if I get all the qualifications to fit the criteria that someone is trying to set, then do I get a guaranteed tidal wave of extra work that allows me to expand my business? If legislation is to work, then it will cost money. Is there enough money in appliance repairs to allow that extra burden on already struggling businesses? I would appear not.
I’m not against qualifications – I am just curious how a certificate on my wall will stop a Candy drum exploding because it is made badly.The waste generated is largely because machines today are cr@p. True reconditioning in the old way of stripping everything down, cleaning and rebuilding as good as new is just not viable or even possible anymore. Reconditioned machines today can only be at best ‘repaired secondhand’ as new machines are so cheap. The British Heart Foundation and similar charity shops seem to be able to fill the requirement for cheap secondhand machines and are not subject to the T11 regulations. They are therefore at an advantage to the small business doing recons. And a new Chinese machine is a mere £180….. where’s the profit and incentive margin in that? Businesses are run to make money to allow people to live; if there’s no money, there’s no business. Glass half full?
If this wastage is to be tackled then the source of the problem has to be tackled. Stop the cheap cr@p machine being imported by the big boys and force the ‘producer responsibility’ proposed legislation forward. Stop the blatant profiteering on spare parts like £200 PCB’s. Stop sealed tubs and withholding of technical information by the manufacturers. Then and only then will machines be truly viable to repair and the EEEsafe circular economy would be the way to go.
But without the above mentioned problems being effectively solved and the manufacturers signing in blood they will not rescind on the deal, then the margins are tinkered but the problem remains.
The stats on fires caused by domestic appliances does not state if the fire was caused through cheap substandard parts fitted during manufacture. So the stats are not made up. Nobody said they were. It’s the context in which they are presented that is arguable. 2500 fires? Will training the engineers stop this? Probably not…but stopping the manufacturers making such rubbish might…
So if the engineers seem to be jaded, they have good reason to be. The manufacturers are trying to produce throw away products, the powers that be don’t seem to stop them or even care. Ridiculous parts prices and withheld tech information for no good reason are meaning more and more engineers are leaving the trade for more lucrative careers. Then you have the customers, now conditioned to expect a washing machine to cost £250 due to the continual cut throat price wars that have raged for 20 years. Higher quality pushes up prices that people aren’t prepared to pay…..the ‘race to the bottom’ is almost run. Is your glass half full or half empty at this point?
So along comes DASA with a solution to a question that cannot really be answered without a seismic shift in the way the industry is developing and the way the engineers are treated by the industry. The engineers are already struggling….how about going after and sorting out the causes of the problems in the manufacturers area rather than further burdening the engineers. The latter of course is the easier option.
DASA does not speak for me or most others in this trade. Training is good but it has to be coupled with better earnings and prospects for the current workforce and future recruits. With manufacturers going bust every month and large high street names failing; reports of retailers making £10 a box on appliances, where is the future? And more importantly, where is the evidence that EEEsafe will make it better?
I applaud people who try to do the right thing as it is always an uphill struggle. I’ve been in this trade for 30 years, seen the changes, not liked them; but the glass is more than half full for me as I am always busy and don’t need to sell machines or do recons. That said; this type of restructuring is 30 years overdue and I fear the horse has already bolted. Let’s just hope that this project will draw the trade together and not become the collective noose that chokes it.
Steve.
Re: EEE safe email.
EEESafe admin@eeesafe.com via mail59.wdc03.rsgsv.net is the email address.
Always has a picture of Robert Alexander with it. So I therefore assume he is the driving force behind this campaign as the EEEsafe Youtube videos have his picture all over them too.
At the bottom of the email is this:-
Copyright © 2013 EEE Safe Ltd, All rights reserved.
You are receiving this email because you wished to be updated about relevant EEE Safe Activity.
Our mailing address is:
EEE Safe Ltd
Indycube 2nd Floor
220 High Street
Swansea, South Wales SA1 1NW
United Kingdom.Wish to be kept updated? Don’t remember ever doing that…..
Activity? Lots of proposals with a few buzzwords with a “join our club” message. If they are allied to DASA, then why is the WTA not involved? Or is is exclusively DASA’s baby?Mind you, it all makes entertaining reading – bit like the Checkatrade mantra that suggests that everyone not signed up is probably not worthy until they join.
That’s when my interest evaporates. Also AFAIK DASA don’t represent enough people to have any sort of mandate to regulate this industry.
Steve.Re: EEE safe email.
“Had email from them offering £80 call out including spares for repair jobs”
That’s for gas and dual fuel cookers only…….. 😉
Steve.
Re: EEE safe email.
Generic headline grabbing Government figures that “prove” your point….
“Evidence from the Department for Communities and Local Government show that in 2011/2012 there were around 5200 domestic fires in Great Britain caused by faults with electrical products, and that over 2000 of these were attributable to White Goods – such as Tumble Driers, Washing Machines, Fridge Freezers and Electric Cookers.”
How many of what type of appliance, what manufacturer, circumstances, cause of fire….etc. All pertinent questions…
“Working with EEESafe registered Centres and Technicians will help ensure more of these goods will be available to such groups, and importantly, repaired by Registered Competent Persons.”
So it’s a registration system or COP to regulate this industry; that usually works well. If it is rolled out, it could be beneficial to all. Hasn’t this been tried before? 😉
“EEESafe is calling for regulation on ensuring Competent Persons are employed on any repair work for White Goods Appliances through registration with its EEESafe Domestic Appliance Technicians and Workshop Repairers Card Scheme.”
Yep, it’s a competency registration scheme.
“The scheme is also dedicated to ensuring that appliances beyond economical repair and where Registered Technicians do not require the product, are placed into a Registered Local EEESafe Centre. Retention of appliances for local community benefit are part of the Circular Economy operation seeks to deliver through it’s Local Training Centre model.”
It would help if the Local Training Centre was announced to the trade doing the work before it was trumpeted in the press. Training cemtre? Does that mean Dixons? That’s not local to me. Where’s my invitation to train up and aspire to be competent? Is this NVQ based training with recognized qualifications?
“Recently cited by the Ellen MaCarthur Foundation to the Welsh Government in a White Paper, EEESafe is looking to engage all Stakeholders to reduce carbon emissions, help impoverished communities, remove rogue traders and deliver a Greens Skills programme commensurate with UK Government policies.”
Stakeholders…. now were getting to it. Remove rogue traders? Checkatrade were successfully doing that, weren’t they? Green skills programme? Where and how do you train for that?
“Consumers are encouraged to not only offer their old appliances to EEESafe, but purchase new ones via their Retail Partners on their own website, who agree not to remove the old appliances from the community.”
That last paragraph is the truthful bit. You buy it from us and we’ll do the right thing. So where and when does this all start? Surely it’s best to involve the trade you are trying to regulate and be inclusive instead of forming an exclusive club that makes up its own rules based on Government data gleaned from sources that agree with your point of view. That’s easy, the papers do that every day. Regulation? It omits to say how this is going to happen, also fails to explain how it is going to achieve competency when no training exists except the NVQ that none of the colleges run.
Still no mention of the WEEE implication of this scheme. Who’s going to store the scrap machines prior to their transformation back to EEE? Where’s my local EEEsafe centre? This makes it sound like there’s one in every town. If there isn’t one near me then to comply my premises will have to be T11 regulated. Who pays for the shifting, warehousing and reconditioning of these machines?
Has any of this been discussed on UKW; probably the biggest engineer forum on the net? A registration scheme for repairers? I’ve seen the WTA do it and lacklustre is a good word for the response. So that leaves DASA with its extensive membership…..EEEsafe need to come on UKW and state their case and be prepared to answer the above points and concerns. If they care to the degree they are saying they do then this will be forthcoming.
But if no one knows what’s going on, no one’s going to do it…. and there are no regulations in place to enforce it. Robert Alexander – you write the emails….please take the UKW stage – the trade is listening…..Re: Maytag MWA 08128 WH/2 ….who makes it?
DrDill wrote:You do know that Maytag is a whirlpool brand?
Yes……. but if you are advising a disgruntled Whirlpool customer then you need to have your facts straight. It looked like a Whirlpool AWOE in the photo – I said that in my post, but still I’d thought I’d ask.
Thanks Martin for the response required. Thanks Dr Dill for the :rolls:
Steve.
Re: Britannia Bought?
kwatt wrote:They were never made in the UK as far as I know Steve, they were Ilve and latterly made by Bertazzoni.
Don’t sell ’em or usually get involved with ’em….just repeating what was said to me.
Steve.
Re: EEE safe email.
Another contact form EEEsafe.
Direct cut-n-paste so I am not misquoted…….
EEESafe, Toyota, Dow Corning and
Ellen MaCarthur, all in the same breath!We’re particularly pleased to announce our association with these organisations in today’s published paper by the Ellen MaCarthur Foundation (EMF). We’ve all been cited in a Circular Economy Report. As organisations in Appliance repairs this information could be useful to you. Don’t get left behind in the Circular Economy.
The Paper produced for WRAP and Welsh Government by EMF cites EEESafe alongside big corporations like Toyota and Dow Corning demonstrating the multiple benefits, particularly from EEESafe, that a circular economy can bring. Find out about the Circular Economy HERE
EMF states that Businesses and Communities are already pursuing circular economy values. They go on to say in addition to government-funded policy and initiatives, there are a number of enterprises in Wales that are currently pursuing value through implementing circular economy practices. We are pleased to have been highlighted in this publication and we hope that all communities in the UK will begin to engage with EEESafe, when they are next looking to replace their Fridges, Cookers, Washing Machines, Tumble Driers and Dishwashers.
One of the multiple benefits we offer is by asking you to purchase new Appliances through the link on our website, or through the link of an EEESafe Online Shop, we can begin to increase community responsibility in helping their friends, family and neighbours. Giving in your Appliance to an EEESafe Centre will help your old Appliance become someone’s new Appliance. In a Circular Economy model, reuse and repair are high factor operations that to lowering Carbon output and deliver a huge Social Value to the community. You wouldn’t believe how many people living in poverty, are looking for these items. Social Service, Homeless Departments, Child Poverty Groups, Domestic Abuse Groups and many other Charities. When you buy via our site and our Retail Partners, you ensure we keep the old appliance in your community and repair it to the EEESafe Standard. By using one our repairers, then you will prevent your Local Authority, or the other big Retailers from taking it away for waste or to some other part of the country.
If you are looking to find an EEESafe Technician or a Centre to fix your Appliances, then we recommend you use one of our Repairers registered with EEESafe.
Communities can help regenerate their local economies by helping to retain Appliances in the locality. Charities, Social Housing, Support Groups and Homeless departments are looking for these products, so please help them. Remember, your Old Appliance could be someone else’s New Appliance.
You can find the full Ellen MaCarther report HERE
If you are interested in working with EEESafe, and looking to get involved in running an EEESafe Centre, becoming a Competent Appliance Repairer or wish to deliver our Training Programme for an Accredited Qualification, then please Contact Us for more information.
So….
How much of the above is actually rolling out? WRAP and Welsh Government seem interested if they have commissioned a report by EMF.. 😕 And the trade association they are working with is? And how many repairers are represented by said trade association? What about the T11 Exemption….no mention; are they able to get round that law?
You will notice that all the above only seems to be relevant IF you buy your new appliance through EEEsafe or its approved associates.
Hmm….so many questions….make up your own mind!Steve.
Re: Britannia Bought?
Ordered some spares today and can confirm there will be redundancies at Blackpool and “possible teething problems” when operations moved to Prescott.
All machines are still going to be built in the UK – so no plans to change anything there.Steve.
Re: Diplomat ADP8640 (Beko) dishwasher stops ;starts.
Thanks for the replies! And yes, I’m fine Lawrence; really busy this year, been really good. Getting tired sooner but not complaining. :clown:
Hope all is well with you and yours!!Cheers,
Steve.
Re: Diplomat ADP8640 (Beko) dishwasher stops ;starts.
I presume the PCB in question is the power board and not the selector board with the buttons on it?
Cheers,
Steve.
