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Re: WTA Engineer Register
I can see an us and them rift forming here and that is not what we are about. I saw and fought against this for the longest time within dasa and it was one of the main reasons I threw the towel in.
Remember what we all agreed to at Sibson ! that was an ethos of inclusivity not exclusivity.
We will all get to where we need to be by our example of encouragement not enforcement.
There was no argument against wieghting the order of listing in favour of those who are members of both UKW & WTA if you remember.
If you really think that we could possibly exceed the number of daily hits on the WTA website that are attracted to the UKW site then I stongley advise you to think again.
If the only reason we are setting this association up is to have a competitive advantage over our fellow trade colegues Then we have got the wrong end of the stick. Its all about raising the bar, getting everyone onboard and collectively having a voice instead of being riden rough shod over.
We need to get our minds fixed on we instead of me
Rant over
Sean
Re: Bosch commiting Corporate Suicide
Ever since UKW started the general concensus on the topics and threads has been the fact that we all believe that machines are too cheap.
This is the main reason given for the fact that people are throwing away their machines rather than repairing them.
Sorry to have to state the obvious, but you are far more likely to be asked to repair a machine costing £360 than you are on one costing £299.
The other thing you have to consider here, is brand image. Up until the introduction of the ISE machines the only quality recomendations given out by the vast majority of the guys on this site were either Bosch or Meile.
If you were Bosch which end of the manufacturers percieved quality spectrum would you like to be associated with ? Servis or Miele.
The price point of your entry level product is a major determining factor in the perception of your brand.
The brands fighting to produce the cheapest machines are the true corporate lemmings if you ask me.
Sean
Re: Quack ,Quack….
Lawrence wrote:Hi all
Just a thought what are our ducks and how many do we have lined up ?
my quick thoughts areconstitution – done
ID cards – done
Finance spokesman -not done
over to youLawrence
The Charter (c.o.p.) -done
Member certificates,van signage along the lines of Corgi badge with membership no. on itWe also need to make up a list of all the member benifits and think of ways to extend this at little cost to the organisation.
Sean
Re: 10 – Dimensions
Congratulations Chris,
Perhaps the first ISE service tool should be a titanium reinforced truss.
Sean
Re: WTA constitution
Would seem to be just what the Doctor ordered (no pun intended).
If we are all happy with this, I would recomend that we post it up in the WTA Members forum to give the full membership a chance to contribute their views on it before we ask for it’s ratification and adoption.
Sean
Re: Two Hats !
In all faifness John didn’t we do a similar thing in the A.C. with regards the Charter !
Once we have got it past a rough draft stage and ironed out any obvious omissions or errors we can then post it up for the members to coment on before it is ratified. I see no real problem with this.
You also have the appathy to deal with, that most members of any organisation seem to show on such matters. Far better to get the guys that actually show some interest involved at the early stages.
Nothing is set in stone.Sean
Re: WTA constitution
Found it ! Right, I would suggest that we all go through it section by section and make sure we are all clear on it and in full agreement before we ratify and adopt it.
If you have any queries post up the section number along with the section itself, accompanied with your question or the point you want to raise.
Sean
Quote:
Constitution
Introduction
1. The name of the Federation shall be the “Whitegoods Trade Association” (referred to in this constitution as “the WTA”).
2. The WTA was established on (DATE ESTABLISHED)
3. The WTA has the following mission statement –
“The Whitegoods Trade Association provides services to independent appliance service, repair and sales companies by helping to establish a favourable operating environment, by providing a forum for discussion on non-competitive issues, and by providing information to assist them in their business.”
Objectives
4. The WTA shall have the following objectives –
a. To be a central representative body to put the views of companies within the independent appliance repairs and sales industry to Government departments and agencies, Parliament, the European Commission and Parliament and other relevant organisations.
b. To be a research and statistical centre, to aggregate and publish statistics, and to provide analysis on independent appliance industry and other relevant market information as appropriate and wherever possible.
c. To be a technical centre providing commentary, guidance and advice on all legal and other regulatory developments of relevance to the appliance industry.
d. To provide a forum for the exchange of non-competitive information.
e. To promote the independent appliance repairs and sales industry.
Membership5. Membership of the WTA is available to companies which manufacture, sell, service or are directly involved in the appliance industry. Admission to membership is at the discretion of the Executive Committee.
1. Members will be expected to adhere to the WTA Code Of Practice at all times
2. Members will be expected to maintain their status and operate within all legislation as issued by UK Government
Associates
6. The Executive Committee shall, at its discretion, admit as an associate of the WTA any organisation that does is not an independent trader but which is otherwise interested in the business. Associates shall be entitled to receive most publications and other literature prepared under the auspices of the WTA, and otherwise be entitled to participate in the affairs of the WTA as decided by the Executive Committee.Finance of the WTA
7. The financial year of the BWF shall be the calendar year but this may be changed by resolution of the Executive Committee.
8. The subscription scale shall be set by the Executive Committee.
9. Associates shall pay an annual subscription fixed by the Executive Committee.Meetings of the WTA
10. The WTA shall hold an annual general meeting not later than four months after the end of each financial year. At least 10 members of the WTA, or the Executive Committee, may at any time require the Secretary to convene a general meeting of the WTA. In convening such a meeting the Secretary shall give not less than 21 days notice to members.
Executive Committee
11. The affairs of the WTA shall be directed by an Executive Committee comprising –
a. Representatives of independent companies in membership. The status of a company in respect to fulfilling the term “independent” is defined by the initial Executive Committee.
b. Six members elected on a democratic basis, each member serving for a three year term. Each member shall have as many votes as there are vacancies. The Executive Committee may make bye-laws governing the conduct of elections including provision to phase retirements.
c. No more than three members co-opted by the Executive Committee.12. A member of the Executive Committee shall cease to be a member if he resigns from, or if he ceases to hold office in, the institution in which he has hitherto held office.
13. Each member of the Executive Committee shall have one vote. The President shall have a second, or casting, vote in the event of equality.
President and Deputy President
14. The Executive Committee shall, at its first meeting in each financial year, elect a President to hold office until the first meeting in the following financial year. The Executive Committee shall also elect a Deputy President. No person may hold the office of President, or of Deputy President, for more than three consecutive years. In the event of the President or the Deputy President resigning or ceasing to be a member of the Executive Committee, the Committee shall have power to elect a replacement to serve for the remainder of the term, this period of office not counting for the purpose of the requirement in the previous sentence.
Publicity
15. The Federation shall publish an annual report on its activities and a list of subscribing members. Both these documents will be published with the membership list being always up to date.
Committees and Panels
16. The Executive Committee may establish and maintain sub-committees and project groups, and may delegate matters to them.
17. The Executive Committee may appoint technical panels to advise and assist it.
Director General
18. The Executive Committee shall appoint a Director General who shall be responsible to it for the management of the Federation and who shall also be the principal representative of the Federation and the principal policy adviser to the Executive Committee.
Delegation
19. The Executive Committee and the Director General may delegate any of their powers
Revision of the Constitution
20. This constitution shall be amended by the WTA, provided that at least 75{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of the members of the WTA present at the meeting vote in favour of amendments of which prior notice has been given.
Transitional arrangements
21. The following transitional arrangements shall apply ……….
[This should cover among other things, the composition of the initial executive committee, the officers who will serve to the first AGM, the initial subscription scale, and entry fee if any, and the name of the initial director general.]Re: WTA constitution
Ken,
Can you post up that draft copy of the constitution so that all of the councilors can get involved in editing it and setting out the WTA rule book.
This really should be the starting point for any association. For my part, I would like to see it kept as short and concise as humanly & practically possible.
That should keep the buggers quiet for a few weeks. I remember only too well the weeks of agonising over every line in the Charter.
SeanRe: Low water pressure
Depending how low the pressure is, it may very well time out on the timed fill. I’m pretty sure it should be 1 bar min. pressure.
HTH
Sean
Re: Badda Bing
It was a shame you missed the Manchester meeting about eighteen months back. We gave a classic example of a spare you could buy from the manufacturer being spanked up by over £100 above cost to the trade.
That is just downwright greed !!!
You might think this is just business, when in actuall fact it is part of the problem that our trade is facing, in uneconomical repairs due to spares pricing.
To a degree you can understand it from manufacturers as they try to recoup margin on the cheap low profit machines they build, by banging it onto the spares but when your own spares supplier does it to this extent then it is just pi$$ taking.
I fully understand that we are all in bussiness to earn a living but jus imagine if one of our own members said he charged £100 a visit on the forums he would be in for some serious stick from members and rightly so.
That is why I pesonally dont mind leaving a certain supplier out of the loop. Especially when I have witnessed their controling shenanigags with DASA. dictating in secret phone calls who can and who can’t join.
Sean
Re: Membership.
aqualectric wrote:The manufacturers and the sheds trading policies are part of the predicament that the TA was set up to change. Therefore you can’t really have a large vested interest involved with the decision making of the small individual retailer or repairer.
Associate member yes; decision or policy making – definitely No.Steve.
I totally agree !
Sorry Guy’s I thought I made myself clear in an earlier post. Associate membership yes. Voting rights for Associate members a definate no.
Sean
Will this do for mine Ken, or do you want a more recent shot ?