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Dunno if this is relevant or not but Kevin was on about an IR break sensor in some of these machines as well, John or Kevin may be able to clarify that.
But I’d have to agree with Dave, it’s most likley not a DIY job and most likely a Whirlpool one. 😕
K.
There’s always an issue with safety on any appliance when you lift a screwdriver to it or remove any part to access the internals. None more so than with a gas appliance.
The advantage you have with gas is that if it is leaking you can often hear it and almost always smell it. Electricity is a silent killer and has to be treated with the utmost respect, in the past year alone I think we’ve reported two deaths directly related to someone DIYing a repair.
As a general rule of thumb with gas, if you have to break any seal on the appliance then it’s time for a CORGI approved repairer. I know that they’re hard to find and that’s a whole other issue with CORGI themselves, but the sentiment remains, we would say that then it was not a DIY job. Quite simply, it’s not worth the risk involved against the cost of a repair to be carried out proffesionally.
We tell you these things for your own and, your family’s, safety and not without just cause.
K.
Yes I’ve been watching the Coolfreeze thing, take Dave’s advice and let trading standards deal with it I say.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings. 🙁
K.
Ehm, not to bad normally is the short answer , usually in the kinda £100 area but until you change the main board you can’t see what else is up with it. They’re a PITA they really are.
But that’s one of the joyful ones with the lock that fails for pyro on the top oven as well as the split clock/control unit and the comutator switches designed in hell. 😕
I had a neighbour that had one of these same ovens and, stupidly, I mentioned that we were the agents at the time. Dear God was that a mistake! I never did get the clock to keep time or stop it clicking nonsense despite my best efforts and help from Brandt technical. The oven would also, for no apparent reason simply shut itself off, it was horrid.
Funnily enough I have one now overheating constantly in warranty (different machine) with almost ever concievable component replaced. I’m sure the things are cursed!
If you ever see an FM4942 (IIRC), it’s an electronic control double under oven… run for the hills!
Remember I mentioned Holy Water….
😆
K.
I changed the URL Martin as it led to n error page and when you use the horrendously long ones, http://www.tinyurl.com is your friend. 😉
K.
New one on me. The only thing that I’ve seen them getting shirty about is commercial waste really, unless you’ve got mountains of machines sitting in the garden as that might raise a few of the neighbour’s eyebrows.
But as far as what business you transact within the confines of your home, so long as you’re not breaking the law, I think is pretty much your own concern.
K.
Funnily enough we were talking about that the other day.
Quite a few of us have decided just to shut down in between, can’t be bothered to hear…
“Oh I didn’t think you’d be there!
“Na, leave it till after the New Year”
Etc. etc. 😉
K.
If you’re in a CM postcode area any of these should be able to help you out.
http://www.ukwhitegoods.co.uk/modules.p … ent&tid=11
K.
Yeah they are Seamy, made by Brandt. Tech info is non-existant basically but if it’s one of the ones with temp sensors and two boards (at least) then…
Take some torx screwdrivers, Rosary Beads and Holy Water and you may even survive the ordeal. 😕
K.
Re: R U Ready
You are absolutely correct in your analysis and conclusions Martin, 100{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d}.
What we can do is maybe offer the so-called bible for sale and update it as we go, therefore it always stays fresh, just a thought.
The thing is that to get anyone into the trade and give them any kind of knowledge whatsoever is seriously expensive. Even taking an engineer off the road to train is expensive and to provide the training is expensive, hence the situation that we now find ourselves in.
Added to which you have what I refer to as “The Risk Factor”, would you risk employing someone on the back of a three month contract in this day and age? Would you train up a body to do that work with no guarantee that he’ll stay with you or that you will have sufficient volumes to keep him busy?
In our world there another thing that my father always reffered to as “The Half-An-Engineer”, you always are in a position where you need another 1/2 an engineer’s labour, yet you would not employ one until you reached the stage where you needed 1.5 engineers so that you could always have work for him. The problem there means that you are always under pressure and that if one leaves, goes sick or on holiday you get swamped with work and struggle to keep up.
Tough one innit?
K.
Re: R U Ready
Dunno Del, this is more an “on the job” type training aimed to improve the engineer’s skill not to dreate a new one as such. What it does do is take the training principles that each of us would employ anyway and put them into a digestable format for a fresh recruit or someone that’s been in the game a while.
The others are all aiming to take someone with absolutely no knowledge whatsoever and put them on a line producing an engineer at the opposite end. We know that’s not realistic as we all train in the field, not a classroom.
What we’re trying to get is appliance specific training as well as general knowledge, down to the brass tacks of how an appliance operates, why it does what it does and when it should do those things. This is not about offering some sort of qualification that is recognised by any government department or suchlike, if it’s good enough that would follow anyway as a natural progression.
I think you’re looking at it from the point of view of it being some kind of official course, it’s not intended as such. That allows great autonomy in what we do and say and we are not constrained in what is on offer, unlike others. It also allows us to do what we like pretty much with the literature and writings that we produce.
It’s a different approach to an old problem.
K.
I do work for DAG and have done for the past 15 years at least through various routes for various manufacturers but they do not in any way form a mainstay of my business. If they were no use I’d either tell the truth or turf them out as I have done with many other companies over the years. Others will also tell you that DAG are good to work for in the main as well and there’s really no issue with them at all, in fact they’re one of the better insurers in my opinion.
The problem is that call centre staff and, ourselves to a large extent, are either not really allowed or expected to comment on such situations and we get sick of repeating the same story time and time again.
I wish I was free, but we are in the busiest time of the year for our industry, another reason for the repsonse times you’ve been quoted no doubt. 😉
Do let us know how you get on as it’s always interesting to hear how the story pans out.
K.
