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Re: electrical safety testing ?
Just for the record do you realise 75{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of all qualifed electrians FAIL their inspection and testing course (2391) and the highest its ever been is 50{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d}! Great you really want to call that lot in! And yes i passed mine! Hence why i know! In my experience engineers already go way past the mark of so called professionals and electrians! How many electrians machines you fixed who can not fault find you fixed?? And how many electrians you called to your house to fix a fault? They’re not all that clever but saftey checks are still needed regardless.
Phil
Re: £3000 Miele
Only their vacuum cleaner parts then they brought them back and assembled them in Germany and said “made in Germany” on the badge “allegedly”. unless they are outsourcing even more now.
I know they put things out to tender to other companies and if they can build it to the same spec or better then miele and cheaper of course then they get the contract. Nothing wrong in that its just how they hide it which wrong.Phil
Re: Does anyone use this loop tester info required
I believe that everyone should do loop tests. They are not difficult only take minutes to do and you can sleep easy at night knowing you done the best you could to ensure everything was correctly tested. My only problem is how do you know you are getting the correct results with out cross referencing it against the regs book?? And this is where the trouble is for most people they have a rough idea what to do. To do it properly you have got to see what incoming earth is tt, tnc,tncs system etc what bs number is on the breaker and rcd or rccb and work out roughly the size of the circuit what the circuit is ring or radial size of cable etc to know what your results are telling you otherwise you have not tested it correctly because all those factors affect the loop test. And that is not even half the tests an electrician does on an installation before people start. You can not just make up a rough figure of say 1.4 and that is it for any circuit anywhere you could be advising your customers totally wrong which i know is not your intention but that’s the truth.
We have to be deemed competent? how do you deem competency In law? And prove that you are indeed competent, if you are only doing half the test with an estimate of what you think the results should be?? Would you think that is competent?
Remember you are the ones who are deeming yourselves competent enough to tell your customer that the circuit is safe and as lay men they think you are the experts on the subject.
It is yet again another minefield.
But i do take my hat off to you all at least you are trying which is a a lot more then most do.
Clamp meters and meggars use them all day every day, They show you with a quick ohms law calculation that the current draw etc is working roughly right and tell you very quickly that the circuit is heating etc without waiting around.Phil
Re: MIELE T234C WOES…
How you doing the moisture test? With items in the drum? or with a test lead? if there is items in the drum you will have varying resistances due to the resistance of the items in the drum and it will change constantly.Moisture test should not really affect the pump.
You sure the float switch is not sticking? and that the microswitch is ok? if so i would be looking at the pcb myself but really double check everything first because they are not cheap.Phil
Re: BS7671 electrical regulations
Hi, He will need a new landlord cert with every new tenant regardless of the 5 year rule. So it is down to the landlord regardless of if he can not find it or not to provide one.
I doubt very much the niceic or any other governing body would have a copy of the old cert (you could ask them all) usually just the landlord and spark. There is usually 3 copies.
It depends on the contractor and size of the building to how much it will cost. Basic rule of thumb with the testing side is they check 50{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of the installation if they find a fault they check 75{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} if they find another they check the whole lot. So it really does depend on the contractor to what he finds.
Trouble with commercial /industrial electrics is there is not much in the way of regulation as in the domestic market like part p commercial and industrial does not! You just have to be competent not qualified or anything else which leaves it wide open but that is another subject.
philRe: Conventional tumble dryers to cease?
They run at about 1kw, which in all fairness is very good when you look at other dryers which have anything between 1.8-2.7kw elements plus the motors etc. So as you say massive electricity savings to be had. They are just very expensive to start with.
Phil.
Re: Microwave leakage testing
I can not name and shame,Sorry it would cost me way to much and they would know the source. Lets just say check the seals on the Chinese/badged up ones they do know about it! They are coming straight out the factory with the doors not properly sealed. I am just trying to warn you so you keep your eyes open for it they are definitely failing the leakage test.
Lee8 i think from some of your comments in the past you know one of the companies but as you can imagine it is a bit all hush hush especially seeing that the majority of engineers as you say do not carry testers so they would never know of the problems.Phil
Re: Microwave leakage testing
There is definatly at least a couple of manfacturers who have got a problem at the minute.
Re: A Difficult Weight ?
You sure he is not just returning the original one that broke? And in fact still as his machine. I have known that kind of thing happen before with other parts and cutomers.
Customers you just go to love them!!Phil
Re: Working on Dual fuel range cooker – Gas Safe registered?
With nearly all trades they say you only have to be “deemed competent” to work in that specific trade.
For example electrics according to 17th edition (which is not law! it is only a standard to which you should work hence it being a british standard) and all the other previous editions you only have to be “deemed competent” to work on electrics. It is part p etc which is building control which is the law.
Gas is a different thing.
But what deems you to be competent? qualifications or experience or both?
With qualifications and being a member of a trade organization etc you have shown you have met the criteria required and still keep meeting that criteria and have the procedures in place to deal with situations. Which if anything goes wrong will stand you in better stead.
With experience there is only you who knows how good you are and what you have done. There is no paper trail which is what they love now a days. Therefore you would have to prove this to a non technical judge and jury whilst having gas safe as an expert witnesses having a pop at you and doing their up most to tear you apart just to send a message out to other non gas safe engineers. Your chances would be slim at best.I think the system is all wrong. There are many a good engineer i know who are in their late fifties and sixties who probably forgot more then most know about gas and electrics. But they are not qualified and do not want to jump through the hoops to be qualified so the law thinks they are in competent, what a joke!. It is those engineers who should be teaching and passing their hard earned knowledge and experience to the younger generations.
Unfortunately it is the way of the world now, You have to protect yourself regardless of anything from the vultures circling overhead waiting for you just to make one simple little mistake (which you might not know you have done!) so they can jump on you. If that is being qualified,registered etc then unfortunately that is what you have got to do other wise you are inviting the vultures to a free dinner!
Phil
Re: Working on Dual fuel range cooker – Gas Safe registered?
I have seen it many times, When someone including myself goes to change the stat as john says they have to take the top off more then likely now a days it is a cheap chinese piece of rubbish. So when you remove the lid the cups are left dangling in mid air you catch one, touch it, knock it or it could just be loose from the factory etc so the union nut becomes loose at the gas tap. You have to tighten it back up! Simple mistake easy remedy but the gas seal WILL have been broken and then you are in the deep brown stuff and is not even your fault.
If i was not gas safe i would at most just simply stick to elements and leave the rest alone.
Just out of curiosity i wonder where you would stand if you was not gas safe pulled out the appliance to find no stability/safety chain? (which most do not have and yet again not your fault). You could not issue a warning and even if you did you could not fill out the correct paperwork to issue the warning certificate as martin touched on.
Those are two very very common scenarios with out even getting in to the gas side of things.
I know what gas safe says but to me it is still a very grey area. It is better to be belt and braces and be qualified etc if at all possible (yes i also know the restrictions on this). With how liability stands in this country now your pli company would drop you like a hot potato and pleading with the judge who will more then likely have asked gas safe to look at the job and who WILL be providing evidence against you (although they made the rules!and none of it is your fault) will get you no where IMO.Phil
