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Re: Mercury RC1090 weekday oven door seal
r600a wrote:
Very harsh this as it was Lincat who stopped supplying Rangemaster, NOT Rangemaster who cut off the supply of parts !!!
Not quite right as the sale terms was not done as cleanly as it could have been. If it was me doing the contract then I as the buyer would have put into it that all spares suppliers details would be included within the sale so both are to blame. lincat also didn’t keep the record of who they purchased the spares from after the sale also and Rangemaster didn’t really know how many of the original products where out there.
Ive spent hours on the phone to the original buyers and manufacturers and have been able to trace the majority of functional parts and hold them in stock…But at what point do you purchase volume ?.
Buy 1 item £50
Buy 30 items £45
Buy 100 £20But then you end up with hundreds of parts tied up worth £1000’s and the turn over is very slow. The costs out weigh the eventual viability of obtaining the parts and keeping the parts.
I put a large £K’s into an order from the original manufacturer of the genuine elements so that I have the full set of every element in stock for the Mercury cookers.. That money was paid out three months ago and the elements only arrived last week.. If it was viable then Rangemaster could have had the elements made but the lifespan of the genuine elements are between 10 to 15 years how many would they have to purchase and then sit on the shelf going damp for the next 5 years.. It then makes it unviable to purchase a volume to get prices low to mass produce.
It will take me a while to get my money back and its a punt that hopefully I won’t lose any going damp.Once parts become less available for any product the costs go up dramatically. Work it out.. 4-5 hours to complete and make a door seal so that it’s correctly bonded and secure. thats before the cost of the profile that has had to be made as it’s not a standard one and there is no details of the original manufacturer the seal uses approx 1.5mtrs plus the bonding agent. the corners cannot be purchased as they aren’t standard corners so the old ones need to be removed and cleaned and prepared and then left to set for minimum 48hrs. How much would you say you get paid per hour ?.
As a engineer who can just go online and click then they get the part delivered and then fitted and then the mark up on the part also..
I go back to the original real engineers who take things apart, find why and how its failed then try and fix it or make it better not just part swap which is what goes on as a common trait as it’s cheaper to buy a complete unit and just fit it and forget it.
If you purchased all the parts to build a car the cost is 10 times the cost of the actual fully built on because its a large production trail.
Rant over..
Bryan
Basically then you are agreeing with me when I said it was harsh on Rangemaster.Rangemaster were told the parts would be available as long as they could be sourced, what happened though was that Lincat then turned round and said from xx date we will no longer be supplying ANY more parts.
BTW Im not an order parts off the shelf type of engineer either so I appreciate the work you are doing on the seals, as should customers because the alternative is to scrap a 5k cooker.
Do you have plenty of grill elements in ? PM if you do please.
Re: Mercury RC1090 weekday oven door seal
kwatt wrote:This came up for conversation earlier Daniel.
In short, Bryan isn’t taking the proverbial.
If you want to berate anyone, then like me, berate Rangemaster who bough Mercury from Lincat then basically stuffed all the Mercury owners by dropping all support for what are very good and expensive cookers.
I bought one as well so, I know only too well how hacked off owners are as I am as well. Even more hacked as I recommended them as they are extremely good machines or at least they were, until Rangemaster bought the brand.
But what Rangemaster have done is just despicable in my opinion.
Oh and now they sell a “Mercury” that’s merely a rebadged Rangemaster at an inflated price and, people buy them thinking it’s better than a box standard Rangemaster, which it isn’t.
Which leaves the like of Bryan, myself and others scrabbling about trying to source and build stuff to keep them going and, that’s a lot of effort, time and money.
Meanwhile while we sell a fan element for what I think is a high price but, less than a £100, you have at least one supplier asking over £300 for the exact same part.
So believe me when I tell you, Bryan really isn’t taking the Mick here.
K.
Very harsh this as it was Lincat who stopped supplying Rangemaster, NOT Rangemaster who cut off the supply of parts !!!Re: Why be gas safe
kaibart wrote:I know the gas safe reg I was making a point about why customers think it’s ok to fit gas appliances themselves and if anything goes wrong the appliance in warranty they call someone out and its there responsible to make it save at no cost to the customer.
I was replying to another post, and I agree with you entirely, I dont see why we should have to do it at no cost when it could be costing us money and more importantly time.
Re: Why be gas safe
http://consultations.hse.gov.uk/consult … tationHome
Work in relation to a gas fitting
30 For the purposes of these Regulations, “work” includes do-it-yourself
activities, work undertaken as a favour for friends and relatives, and work for
which there is no expectation of reward or gain, eg voluntary activity for
charities. This means that anyone carrying out such work must have the
necessary competence, as required by regulation 3(1).
31 The definition of ‘work in relation to a gas fitting’ lists specific
activities covered by this term, but this list is not exhaustive and other
operations may also comprise ‘work’. The definition is wide-ranging and
includes activities that could affect in any way the gas safety of a gas fitting
(whether new or existing), and whether or not it contains gas eg replacement
of combustion seals and appliance controls. In the context of ‘work’, terms
not otherwise defined in the Regulations (or in the Health and Safety at Work
etc Act 1974) bear their normal meaning.
32 “Installation” may refer to either a new or used/second-hand
appliance or fitting (see Regulation 26(3) and associated guidance) and is
not limited to initial installation in particular premises, ie it includes
reinstallation (eg following servicing/repair work).
33 “Installation of a gas appliance (or other gas fitting)” will be work for
the purpose of these Regulations even where the connection is made by a
bayonet fitting or other self-sealing connector (the connection of such a
fitting being just one part of the installation).
34 For the purpose of the definition of ‘work’, ‘disconnecting’ means
physically detaching or uncoupling a fitting (ie which involves breaking into a
gasway), rather than simply isolating it by means of a valve or similar device,
and both ‘connecting’ and ‘reconnecting’ should be understood accordingly.Re: Why be gas safe
r600a wrote:Hi
It’s not an offence or any breach of any regulation when you install your own gas appliance..( health & safety exec) are one responsible for that.
It’s only an offence if you get paid to do it.. So who’s to blame ?? HSE.
It is actually an offence if you aren’t competent.
The “you can fit your own gas appliances in your own home” thing is actually an old wives tale.
Re: 6mm2 cooker cable to terminal on cooker.
Just a word of warning if you have fitted the cooker yourself, Bush are among a few companies now wanting to know that you have had your cooker fitted by an appropriate professional before sending people out for warranty work, no doubt fed up with the amount of faults caused by incorrect installations.
Re: Rangemaster sparking problem
The FSD has nothing to do with the spark generator, I know what the fault is but unfortunately dont give out gas appliance repair information, the spark generator comes under components that require you must be “competent in gas work” or “gas safe registered” to be able to work on.
Re: Footwear?
Shoes are PPE and dont get removed when in customers properties….. ever.
I wear steel toecap trainer type things, I find them very comfortable.
Re: Thoughts on what leave will mean to us?
Why funbobby ? They will only go up because of the exchange rate, there’ll be no extra money in them for us, they’ll simply be more expensive.
Re: Which range cooker to buy?
I worked for both companies as an engineer, without any shadow of a doubt the Rangemaster is superior in every department in my eyes, especially build quality.
Re: vat
On flat rate VAT you are charged 10{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} of your turnover and its submitted every 3 months as normal.
So if you do a job for:
£40 + vat = £48
VAT = £4.80
you pay tax on £40 and are left with the surplus £3.20.
You cannot claim the 20{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} back on fuel etc, but can on some other things like vehicle purchases.
Re: No More Gas Cooker Repairs!
I believe 4-5 times more people die from electricity than gas each year in the UK, last year only 6 people died from gas related incidents.
Re: Darnit – my Smeg hob is broken again!…
Without the relevant qualifications or work experience you are NOT competent to work on gas appliances, I’m pretty sure you couldn’t tell us how to do a pressure/working pressure test or even know what the readings meant or what was permissable in certain situations, you say you had a gs engineer out, did he not give you any warranty on the repair ?
