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Re: Lee’s Cost Embarrassment Thread
richardable wrote:are the dropping costs you mention passed onto US?
Sorry for taking the pisc .. but.. yes they are.. just shop at argos, currys, comet, or euronics.. you may lose your dinner afterwards but you will have the satisfaction that you have tried to outdo the littleman.
George
Re: Waste Carriers Licence
I tend to ramble when I discuss the T11 as there are so many points that I don’t like about it… Maybe we could ask Ken to lend a hand with a reply as he seems to be able to labour the point and get understanding of the issues importance when discussing a topic.
George
Re: Indesit overheating
Look for the two small blue wires for the thermistor on the drum… track them backwards and make sure they are not shorted to make a circuit.
Re: hotpoint problem
Did you check the motor .. I have had similar problems before, albeit with different hotpoint, indesit and beko models, however changing the motor-tacho or sometimes the whole motor has fixed the problem in those cases
Re: PAT Testing
keithwilliams wrote:
if you sell recon appliances i.e. washers etc then you should test them prior to sale.Oh … don’t get me wrong… every electrical item that passes through here has been tested before it enters the shop for sale. What I was answering was the specific about PAT testing.
Anyone can use a PAT tester for testing machines or other electricals but only those that have passed the test can legally issue a certificate.
George
Re: Waste Carriers Licence
You think that’s confusing then look at this… This is the response from one of their head people….
Following our last conversation I put the following scenarios to our definition of waste specialists:
As I suspected Mr Laugharne, whether the white goods are waste will largely depend on what you are employed to do by the maintenance company.
If in effect the company is simply getting rid of the white goods then all or some of the washing machines are likely to be waste.
If however this isn’t the case and the maintenance company is not simply getting rid of the white goods but is for example replacing them and giving you an opportunity to reuse them then it is possible that the white goods may not be a waste.
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If the maintenance company is getting rid of the white goods.
Outcome 1
If it works you do a further safety test and if it passes that you do no more (other than sell it in your shop).
The goods will be waste when you receive them, but once you have completed the safety test they will have been completely recovered and will not be waste if they are put to re-use. You should keep records to show that you have done this .
In this situation you would not need to register a T11 exemption but should register an S2 exemption to cover the storage of the white goods when you receive them.
Outcome 2
If it doesn’t work you find the problem(s) and seek to repair it. You may do this even if it is beyond normal economic repair.
The goods are waste when you receive them. Once you have repaired the item and it is ready for sale it will cease to be waste. You should keep records to show that you have refurbished the white goods.
In this situation you should register a T11 exemption as you are treating Waste Electrical and Electronic Equipment. That exemption will also cover the storage of the white goods before you treat them.
Outcome 3
You may consider the machine to be too far gone and then you will strip it for parts.
The goods are waste when you receive them. If you are able to take out working parts that can be used on other equipment and those parts are to be re-used, those parts will cease to be waste once they are made available for re-use.
You should keep records to show that you have reused the parts.
In this situation you should register a T11 exemption as you are treating Waste Electrical and Electronic Equipment. That exemption will also cover the storage of the white goods before you treat them.
The maintenance company is not simply getting rid of the white goods but is for example replacing them and giving you an opportunity to reuse
Outcome 1
If it works you do a further safety test and if it passes that you do no more (other than sell it in your shop).
In this situation the white goods may not be a waste. However you will keep records to show that you have refurbished the white good.
Outcome 2
If it doesn’t work you find the problem(s) and seek to repair it. You may do this even if it is beyond normal economic repair.
If you have a system in place and can demonstrate that all (needs to be all) of the equipment you receive is re-used you are likely to fall within scenario 6 of our guidance (attached) and the equipment may not be waste when you receive it. If you can not demonstrate that, it is likely, having regard to all the circumstances, that the equipment is waste when you receive it, but once you have repaired it the equipment may cease to be waste, as in outcome 2 above. You should keep records to show that you have refurbished the white good.
In this situation you should register a T11 exemption as you are treating Waste Electrical and Electronic Equipment. That exemption will also cover the storage of the white goods before you treat them.
Outcome 3
You may consider the machine to be too far gone and then you will strip it for parts.
If you have a system in place and can demonstrate that all (needs to be all) of the equipment you receive is re-used but that the occasional machine can not be re-used, you are likely to fall within scenario 6 of our guidance (attached). If that is satisfied the equipment would not be waste when you receive it, but will become waste when you decide it can no longer be used. If you then subsequently remove parts that can be re-used from the equipment for re-use those parts will cease to be waste when they are made available for re-use. You should keep records to show that you have reused the parts.
If you decide that the machine can no longer be used and you subsequently remove parts you should register a T11 exemption as you are treating Waste Electrical and Electronic Equipment. That exemption will also cover the storage of the white goods before you treat them.
Your final question was on the polluter pays principle and the charge for the T11 exemption:
The government considered charging for all registrations, but decided only to charge for the WEEE exemption (T11) because of the specific Directive requirement on pre-registration inspection.
The fee for T11 is set to allow us to recover the cost of inspection, which is an obligation put upon us by law (we have to do an initial inspection and thereafter a yearly inspection). This fee/charge follows the polluter pays policy (a government policy).
I understand your view that you do not consider yourself to be a polluter and as such you should not be charged in pursuance of this policy. However, the “polluter pays” policy applies to organisations that have the potential to pollute. As such the imposition of the fee is in line with this policy, as you do have the potential to pollute.
Re: my 1st small claim
One tip… Claim Costs and Expenses… The court/Judge will not be impressed with £50 interest as they will see that as 25{e5d1b7155a01ef1f3b9c9968eaba33524ee81600d00d4be2b4d93ac2e58cec2d} interest in one month. That is more than most credit cards now charge.
George
Re: PAT Testing
As far as the PAT testing certificate goes .. No ..
What would be the norm in the quoted case would be that they are all delivered to you.. you do any repairs necessary .. you do a quick earth and resistance test on each one to ensure you are not wasting your time… you then take them back to the customers you plug each one into the PAT tester and issue a certificate.
You would normally charge for the service and repairs and then charge an extra fee for the PAT test. The fee varies widely.. I know of fees varying from £3.00 – £17.50 per item … I also know of guys that charge per joblot.
George
Re: PAT Testing
allan73 wrote:So is it my responsability to Pat test all domestic vac repairs ?
No, it is not your responsibility… It is a responsibility of the user. If an item in my shop that you wished to buy was not PAT tested and you requested that I do so, once I PAT test that item and you take it from the building it must be PAT tested again when it arrives where you are going to use it.
A safety certificate lasts only for the actual day it was issued and is only valid for the place where it was actually issued.
George
Re: BEKO WMA510W washing machine
I have one here… just checked level of fill on quickwash quarter of the way up the door… Mini quickwash just showing on glass.
George
Re: Why is it….
What do you do when you repair the machine and then the customer tells you they have no cash.. you say ok, card or check will do, but they don’t have those either.
George
Re: WT741G /2 Burning smell from pcb
Check the valve with a multimeter on ohms… Should read 3 – 4 ohms .. if it is 0.00 ohms then the valve is shorted… Also chesk the cable for ‘trap shorts’ damage and do a test of the cable too, testing for breakages inside the cable that cause intermittant o/c and spikes.
